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To: MarMema
Lord hear our prayers. They are so committed to killing this woman it is simply unbelieveable.

The fact is if this woman had a written living will, saying she didn't want to be kept alive by artificial means in a permanent vegetative state, the hospital would be forced to abide by it.

Not using artificial means to extend a person's suffering is not "killing" them in all cases.

It is a common practice for terminally ill cancer patients to be giving increasingly powerful doses of morphine to spare them the suffering of the final stages of their disease.
The morphine in fact usually puts them out of their misery.

Should we withhold the morphine and let them suffer in increasing agony for a another month or so and call this "God's will?"

Nobody here knows what Terri wants, or whether God wants a person in a permanent vegetative state kept alive by a machine for decades or not.

310 posted on 10/21/2003 7:01:38 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
Terri is not being "kept alive by a machine."

And as for "artificial means," I just had some artificial means for dinner. And they were very good.

332 posted on 10/21/2003 7:06:28 PM PDT by shhrubbery!
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To: Jorge
Once AGAIN. She is NOT ON MACHINES. She was in NO PAIN, until they started starving her to death. She is NOT TERMINAL.
337 posted on 10/21/2003 7:07:09 PM PDT by Politicalmom
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To: Jorge
It is a common practice for terminally ill cancer patients to be giving increasingly powerful doses of morphine to spare them the suffering of the final stages of their disease. The morphine in fact usually puts them out of their misery.

Yeah, by killing them. It's called active euthanasia, not natural death.

If you advocate this at least be honest about what you're advocating.

340 posted on 10/21/2003 7:07:45 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Jorge
Not using artificial means to extend a person's suffering is not "killing" them in all cases.

Nourishment isn't artificial.

350 posted on 10/21/2003 7:09:51 PM PDT by wizardoz (Palestinians are just dynamite!)
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To: Jorge
Go away.
Ignorance at this stage is unforgivable.
Stay off these threads or I swear I will hit abuse on you.
357 posted on 10/21/2003 7:10:52 PM PDT by sarasmom (Thank you, everyone who prayed for Terri Schiavo. Keep praying, please !)
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To: Jorge
or whether God wants a person in a permanent vegetative state kept alive by a machine for decades or not.

I guess that meanings Christopher Reeves should be unplug, because that is the only thing keeping him alive

384 posted on 10/21/2003 7:16:28 PM PDT by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: Jorge
She didn't write a living will.

She's not vegetative (see the video and use your common sense).

Her parents report she can swallow and be fed...and therefore may not need the machine at all...but her unfaithful husband will not allow it.

Her husband is clearly not focused on Terri's best interest. He has changed his stance radically after he had acess to a lot of money and he has not been true to her. If he felt compelled to leave her for this other woman...why didn;t he divorce her then and let the parents take care of their daughter that he no longer wanted.

So...clearly there is doubt, great doubt about what Terri wants...and in such cases you err on the side of life.

That's what Bush did...that's what the state legislature did...and now that is what is going to happen.

...and I AM thankful to God for it.

389 posted on 10/21/2003 7:17:18 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jorge
When intent ias unknowable, ALWAYS ERR ON THE SIDE OF LIFE. ALWAYS! ALWAYS! ALWAYS! ALWAYS! ALWAYS! ALWAYS! ALWAYS! ALWAYS! ALWAYS! ALWAYS! ALWAYS! ALWAYS!
434 posted on 10/21/2003 7:27:08 PM PDT by Warren_Piece (Truth Hits Everybody)
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To: Jorge
Nobody here knows what Terri wants, or whether God wants a person in a permanent vegetative state kept alive by a machine for decades or not.

Well I know what God's Son said "by their fruits ye shall know them", and all the death-loving ghouls are so incredible easy to pick out by what they say and do. So please, don't make me laugh, trying to say that possibly these devilish people are on the side of "God"!

505 posted on 10/21/2003 7:43:28 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Jorge
Nobody here knows what Terri wants, or whether God wants a person in a permanent vegetative state kept alive by a machine for decades or not.

If God wants to call someone home, none can stop him. Keeping a soul-less body alive may be an excercise in futility, but if the soul's not in the body I don't think it really matters one way or the other.

This case, however, was not about Terri's "right to die". It was about an attempt to murder Terri for profit.

I can't wait for a guardian ad litem to order an audit of Terri's trust fund. If Michael's been raiding the cookie jar, that would establish a criminal motive for killing Terri. Attempting to kill someone with criminal motive is attempted murder.

Frankly, at this point in the game I'm almost surprised Felos and Greer are still trying to kill Terri. I don't think her death at this point would prevent an investigation into some of what's been going on, and if they're going to get caught it would be better to be convicted of attempted murder than murder in the first degree.

Though admittedly that may be irrelevant if my other suspicions about Felos and Greer are correct. Methinks Terri isn't the first person they've murdered for profit--just the first one who refused to die like she was supposed to.

552 posted on 10/21/2003 8:00:52 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: Jorge
The fact is if this woman had a written living will, saying she didn't want to be kept alive by artificial means in a permanent vegetative state, the hospital would be forced to abide by it.

It may very well be a blessing she did NOT leave a written living will. Felos and dear hubby would have killed her the day after the malpractice settlement. Hubby has been known to enter her room exclaiming, "Isn't the b-- dead yet?" and Felos says she died 13 years ago and a house plant. Another thing, she is NOT in a permanent vegetative state, or at least wasn't until possibly after being off fluids for 6 days. And lastly, most people don't consider a mere feeding tube as being kept alive by artificial means. At one time she was able to swallow but hubby put a stop to that. A feeding tube falls into a medical aid category much like dialysis which is quite different from a ventilator.

558 posted on 10/21/2003 8:02:32 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: Jorge
http://imc.gsm.com/demos/dddemo/consult/homicide.htm

Your post made me think of the definition of homicide.

Which also makes me think of the difference between killing and murder.

I take the First Commandment as meaning "Thou shalt not murder"... not, "Thou shalt not kill". There is a distinction, but it must be applied judiciously.

In the Schiavo case, having the legislature and the executive act in tandem against the courts tends to throw more weight to the murder side of the argument. I wonder if the legislators were polled if they would say they believe they have stopped a murder?
566 posted on 10/21/2003 8:03:51 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (You may forget the one with whom you have laughed, but never the one with whom you have wept.)
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To: Jorge
or whether God wants a person in a permanent vegetative state kept alive by a machine for decades or not

She was breathing on her own. No "machine" was keeping her alive. And she was not in a "permanent vegetative state". Disabled people are not vegetables.

909 posted on 10/21/2003 9:55:20 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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