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1 posted on 10/20/2003 11:18:06 AM PDT by alan alda
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Why are Jews still wedded to the Democratic party

The Jewish people I know feel that as a minority they are afraid of being dominated by white-anglo-saxon-protestants (and they would be right to feel that way, to a point at least).

And so they side with other minorities against the danger of the majority.

This is why they champion the new immigration of third-world peoples: they see it as a foil to a numerically WASP dominated United States.

2 posted on 10/20/2003 11:30:50 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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Here's the source of the article:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=10372
3 posted on 10/20/2003 11:33:05 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Liberalism - Better Living through Histrionics ©)
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To: alan alda
For the same reason that the people of D.C. re-elected Mayor Barry and the people of Philadelphia will re-elect Mayor Street.

INSANITY

4 posted on 10/20/2003 11:35:11 AM PDT by OldFriend (DEMS INHABIT A PARALLEL UNIVERSE)
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To: alan alda
Franz Mehring

Karl Marx: The Story of His Life

Chapter One: EARLY YEARS

I. HOME AND SCHOOL

KARL HEINRICH MARX was born on the 5th of May, 1818, in Trier. Owing to the confusion and destruction amongst the official Registers in the Rhineland during the troubled times which prevailed at the end of the eighteenth and the beginning of the nineteenth centuries, little is known with certainty about his antecedents. Even the year in which Heinrich Heine was born is still the subject of dispute.

With regard to Karl Marx, however, the situation is not quite so bad, for he was born in more peaceable times; but when a sister of his father died about fifty years ago leaving an invalid will, all the legal investigations to ascertain the lawful heirs were not able to discover the birth and death dates of her parents, that is to say, of the grandparents of Karl Marx. His grandfather was Marx Levi, but later on the Levi was dropped. This man was a Rabbi in Trier and is believed to have died in 1798. In any case, he was no longer alive in 1810, but his wife Eva Marx, nee Moses, was, and she is believed to have died in 1825.

This pair had numerous children and two of them, Samuel and Hirschel, devoted themselves to scholarly professions. Samuel, who was born in 1781 and died in 1829, became the successor of his father as Rabbi in Trier. Hirschel, the father of Karl Marx, was born in 1782. He studied jurisprudence and became an advocate in Trier. Later he became a Justizrat and in 1824 he adopted Christianity, taking the name Heinrich Marx. He died in 1838.

Heinrich Marx married a Dutch Jewess named Henrietta Pressburg whose genealogical tree showed, according to the statement of her granddaughter Eleanor Marx, a century-long line of Rabbis. Henrietta Pressburg died in 1863. Heinrich Marx and his wife Henrietta left a large family, but at the time of the testamentary investigations which provided us with these genealogical notes only four of the children were still alive: Karl Marx, Sophie the widow of an advocate named Schmalhausen in Mastricht, Emilie the wife of an engineer named Conrady in Trier, and Luise the wife of a merchant named Juta in Cape Town.

Thanks to his parents, whose marriage was an extremely happy one, Karl Marx, next to his sister Sophie the eldest child, enjoyed a cheerful and carefree youth. His "splendid natural gifts" awakened in his father the hope that they would one day be used in the service of humanity, whilst his mother declared him to be a child of fortune in whose hands everything would go well. However, Karl Marx was neither the son of his mother, like Goethe, nor the son of his father like Lessing and Schiller. With all her affectionate care for her husband and her children, Marx's mother was completely absorbed in her domestic affairs. All her life she spoke broken German and took no part in the intellectual struggles of her son, beyond perhaps wondering with a mother's regret what might have become of him had he taken the right path. In later years Karl Marx appears to have been on intimate terms with his maternal relatives in Holland, and in particular with his "uncle" Philips. He repeatedly refers in terms of great friendship to this "fine old boy" who proved helpful to him later on in the material troubles of his life.

Although Karl Marx's father died a few days after his son's twentieth birthday, he too seems to have observed with secret apprehension "the demon" in his favourite son. It was not the petty and fidgety anxiety of a parent for his son's career which troubled him, but rather the vague feeling that there was something as hard as granite in his son's character, something entirely foreign to his own yielding nature. As a Jew, a Rhinelander and a lawyer, he should have been thrice armed against the wiles of the East Elbian Junkers, but in fact Heinrich Marx was a Prussian patriot, though not in the wretched sense the term has to-day, but a Prussian patriot of the Waldeck and Ziegler type, saturated with bourgeois culture and having an honest belief in the "Old Fritzian" enlightenment, an "ideologue" of the type hated by Napoleon with good reason. Although the conqueror had given to the Rhenish Jews equality of civil rights and to the Rhineland itself the Code Napoleon, a jealously guarded treasure ceaselessly attacked by the Old-Prussian reaction, Marx's father hated Napoleon.

His belief in the "genius" of the Prussian monarchy was not even shaken by the fact that the Prussian government would have compelled him to change his religion in order to save his bourgeois position. This has often been cited, even by otherwise well-informed persons apparently for the purpose of justifying or at least excusing an action which requires neither justification nor excuse. Even considered from a purely religious standpoint, a man who acknowledged "a pure belief in God" with Locke, Leibnitz and Lessing no longer had any place in the synagogue and belonged rather in the fold of the Prussian State Church, in which at that time a tolerant rationalism prevailed, a so-called religion of reason which had left its mark even on the Prussian Censorship Edict of 1819.

At that time the renunciation of Judaism was not merely an act of religious emancipation, but also, and even more so, an act of social emancipation. The Jewish community as such had taken no part whatever in the great intellectual labours of the German thinkers and poets. The modest light of Moses Mendelssohn had vainly attempted to guide his "nation" into the intellectual life of Germany, and just at the time when Heinrich Marx decided to adopt Christianity a circle of young Jews in Berlin revived Mendelssohn's efforts only to meet with the same failure, although such men as Eduard Gans and Heinrich Heine were in their ranks. Gans, who was the helmsman of the venture, was the first to strike his flag and go over to Christianity. Heinrich Heine hurled a robust curse after him--"Gestern noch ein Held gewesen, ist man heute schon ein Schurke" [1] --but it was not long before Heine himself was compelled to follow his example and purchase "an entrance card into the community of European culture." Both Gans and Heine contributed their historic share to the intellectual labours of the century in Germany, whilst the names of their companions who remained loyal to the cultural development of Judaism have long since been forgotten.

Thus for many a decade the adoption of Christianity was an act of civilized progress for the freer spirits of Judaism, and the change of religion made by Heinrich Marx for himself and his family in 1824 must be understood in this sense and no other. It is possible that external circumstances determined the moment at which the change was made, but they were certainly not the cause. The breaking up of estates and farms by Jewish usurers took place on a growing scale during the agricultural crisis in the twenties and as a result it produced a violent wave of anti-Semitism in the Rhineland. In this situation it was not the duty of a man of irreproachable honesty like Marx's father to bear any share of this hatred and, having regard for his children, he would have had no right to do so. Perhaps the death of his mother, which occurred at about this time, freed him from considerations of filial piety, feelings which would have been in harmony with his whole character; or perhaps the fact that the eldest son came of school age the year the father changed his religion may have played a part in the final decision.

But whether this was the case or not, there can be no doubt that Heinrich Marx had attained that humanistic culture which freed him entirely from all Jewish prejudices, and he handed on this freedom to his son Karl as a valuable heritage. There is nothing in the numerous letters Heinrich Marx wrote to his student son which betrays a trace of any specifically Jewish traits, either good or bad. His letters are written in an old-fashioned fatherly, sentimental and rambling way and in the style prevailing in eighteenth century correspondence, when a true German gushed in love and blustered in anger. Without any trace of petty-bourgeois narrow-mindedness the letters readily enter into the intellectual interests of the son whilst showing a decisive and thoroughly justifiable objection to the latter's hankerings after fame as a "common poetaster." But with all his delight in the thoughts of his son's future, the old man, with "his hair blanched and his spirit a little subdued," cannot quite rid himself of the idea that perhaps his son's heart is not as great as his brain and that perhaps it will not find room enough for those mundane but milder feelings which are so very consoling in this human vale of tears.

Karl Marx Bio

5 posted on 10/20/2003 11:35:36 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: alan alda
the American Jewish community, the most affluent subgroup in the country, still votes as if it's one step ahead of the bread lines and the evict notices.

So everything boils-down to the rich against the poor?

LOL.

It's just as I thought: There's different kinds of conservatives:

One kind is rich and therefore fiscally conservative--but socially liberal, that they may enjoy a guilt-free hedonistic lifestyle.

6 posted on 10/20/2003 11:35:46 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: alan alda
Why? Follow the money.
7 posted on 10/20/2003 11:36:15 AM PDT by caisson71
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the American Jewish community, the most affluent subgroup in the country, still votes as if it's one step ahead of the bread lines and the evict notices.

I dunno.

Did being affluent and Jewish help much when Hitler came to power?

Money ain't everything, but I guess only people who learn that the hard way understand.

8 posted on 10/20/2003 11:38:50 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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I disagree with what some say that Democrats position straight from religious tradition but most Jews are not religious so what is said by some, doesn't fit. If attention is paid, most of the liberal groups are led by jewish lawyers. ALCU etc. etc. Could it be as "...the American Jewish community, the most affluent subgroup in the country.." are just one more group influenced by guilt of the weathly?
10 posted on 10/20/2003 11:45:17 AM PDT by Zipporah
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This quote explains it quite succinctly:

......Jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe came to America with a passionate belief in one form or another of socialism......

Most Jews haven't progressed in their political thinking since the thirties.

13 posted on 10/20/2003 12:10:59 PM PDT by expatpat
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Alan - I just read that you were hospitalized this morning. I hope you're OK.

SANTIAGO, Chile (Reuters) - Actor Alan Alda (news), star of the 1970s and '80s television series "M*A*S*H*," was in the hospital on Monday after emergency surgery in northern Chile, where he is filming a documentary.

Alda, the host for PBS television's "Scientific American Frontiers" for the past seven years, was operated on early on Sunday for an intestinal obstruction and was recovering at the San Juan de Dios Hospital in La Serena 290 miles north of the capital.

Hospital Director Julio Rojas told Chile's Cooperativa radio station that Alda had asked for no visitors and was expecting his wife to arrive later on Monday.

The veteran stage, screen and television actor, winner of several Emmy awards for his role as Captain Benjamin Franklin "Hawkeye" Pierce in "M*A*S*H*," is working on an astronomy documentary for "Scientific American Frontiers," part of which is filmed on location at a huge telescope in the Chilean Andes.

15 posted on 10/20/2003 12:16:42 PM PDT by ZGuy
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To: alan alda
Give it a few years. The Dems are close to embracing the Arab propaganda in so many ways. Soon they will believe that to win the nomination, they will have to be openly hostile to Israel and get even cozier with the rabid anti-semites.

Most American Jews were raised no only on the Democratic party myths, but also on the Israeli socialist myths -- the magical success of the kibutzim. Communist utopias. It takes a generation or two more to deprogram.

You have to be understanding. Jews were killed and kicked out of so many places, a radical socialist agenda was inspiring. Now, it is sentiment and peer pressure.

Give it another generation, but do not be surprised if GWB gets a majority of Jewish votes next year. Survival has a way of getting one's attention.
21 posted on 10/20/2003 1:11:16 PM PDT by Starrgaizr
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To: alan alda
Interesting article. One set of dots that I did not see connected:

Republicans = right wing = fascist = nazi.

This drum is constantly beaten by the democrats and the liberal media. I can't help but think this would explain at least some of this phenomenon since WWII.
23 posted on 10/20/2003 2:50:23 PM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (And always let our conscience be your guide.)
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this ain't an article,this is a book
what was there, a million words ?....
35 posted on 10/20/2003 8:54:42 PM PDT by cars for sale
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Bump to read later. Looks interesting!
41 posted on 10/21/2003 8:48:56 PM PDT by MarkL (Chiefs 7-0! Who'd-a-thunk-it?!?!?!)
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