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To: archy
Thanks for the great response. I am a simple kinda guy, and something simple will work for me. The peep hole in my m16 was good enough for me, and I still see 20/15, so I will only go the scope route if needed.

I will look into Mausers very seriously.

416 posted on 10/19/2003 7:39:26 AM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: dogbyte12
Thanks for the great response. I am a simple kinda guy, and something simple will work for me. The peep hole in my m16 was good enough for me, and I still see 20/15, so I will only go the scope route if needed.

I will look into Mausers very seriously.

The reworked Spanish military model FR-8 Mauser rifles used as a training and second-line auxiliary personnel substitute for the 7,62 NATO caliber Spanish CATME assault rifle ire well made and use a rotary rear sight with multiple aperatures set for varying distances, from *close* to 400 meters. The rifles can often be found in the $125-$200 price range, and if you're familiar with the 7,62 round from your own military service, you know that it's an excellent one and is widely available from a vatiety of commercial and surplus sources in a variety of bullet weights and power level loadings. The turnbolt Mauser rifles are most usually found with V-notch sliding rear open sights like the Kalishnikov, and the Spanish FR-8's are one of the few exceptions to that generality.

If you did go that route, that could also give you ammunition and accessory compatability with a CETME semiauto, very inexpensively available right now, which could be either an advantage or a mixed blessing.

There are few faults or flaws to be aware of if shopping for a FR-8 other than those that can apply to any similar weapon, but beware getting the earlier FR-7 version made from the Spanish Modelo 95 action rather than the later and stronger M98 action- if you get one, you want an FR8, at least from a user's standpoint; collectability is another thing entirely.

If the old .30-06 cartridge of the M1 Garand rifle [another VERY good choice should you later be in the market for a high quality and accurate semiauto] is acceptable to you, the earlier issue M1903A3 Springfield rifle is chambered for that cartridge and is an excellent choice. Springfields generally go for a little higher price, in the $400-$500 ranhe, but it's another excellent bolt-action rifle with an aperature rear sight that should work well for you. Again, there's the earlier M1903 version with a shorter-radius sliding adjustable v-notch rear sight mounted atop the barrel with about half the sight radius of the M1903A3 model. There's certainly nothing wrong with the earlier version [I have my granddad's old one, and it's a great shooter] but I think you'd find the later type with the improved sighting arrangement would better suit you.

It's of course possible to rebarrel either a FR-8 or M1903A3 to another caliber if you so require, but if it ain't broke, don't fix it, and there's certainly little wrong with either the .30-06 or 7,62 NATO calibers as a good choice for a working rifle.

Spanish FR-8, 7,62x51mm NATO chambering:

M1903A3 Springfield, cal. .30-06:


452 posted on 10/19/2003 3:30:45 PM PDT by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: dogbyte12
Thanks for the great response. I am a simple kinda guy...

If you're figuring on using a bolt-action rifle, I hope you're also a right-handed sort of guy? The use of a starboard-side bolt action can be learned by a southpaw, and is a little easier if the rifle isn't topped with a telescopic sight over the action, but if there's no difficulty there, there's no need to consider it, beyond the sometimes useful utility of any tool that can be utillized as well ambidextrously over one that cannot.

-archy-/-

461 posted on 10/19/2003 4:32:28 PM PDT by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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