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"You are one "soopabadass" my friend."

I wouldn't say that. That was from a machine rest with handloads. A machine rest can make even the worst shooter look good :^) sorry I didn't clarify this in my previous post! What I was talking about about was the inherant ability of the round, not about the ability of the shooter. I can't remember the specs, I'd have to find my notes to get those for you, but I can tell you that that load didn't do near so well in another rifle (an old marlin model 36, the predecessor to the 336) more like about an inch and a half to two inches. I do remember that the bullet was a spire point, not something you would load into a tube magazine, but rather load only one at a time. That was back when I was experimenting with a lot of different loads (way back before I was married and had children)

My best group with a rest and my 30-30 was 3.75" at 100 yards. I was using the 30-30 accelerator rounds. I have tried lots of ammo and they all seem inconsistent. Most of my groups were nearly 5". I just don't get it.