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[blam]

"What about the European Romans ? Why were they not part of the European Israelites. They would not have crucified Christ then.. centurions, Caesars boys etc"

Good point...don't know .

[Wallace T.]

I reviewed this thread, and have a couple of comments.

First, not all Middle Easterners are Semitic. The ancient Persians spoke an Indo-European language and there is considerable evidence that indicates that at least the Persian aristocracy was generally European in appearance, as were the Aryan invaders of India. Even to this day, some high caste Indians, especially in that nation's north, could pass for Europeans. One of Paul's epistles was to the Galatians, a nation in what is now Turkey that was Celtic in origin. (FWIW, Kemel Ataturk, the founder of modern Turkey, had reddish blond hair and blue eyes.)

Second, the Middle Eastern genetic marker found in Europeans declines as you go from the continent's southeast (Bulgaria and Greece) to its northwest. The British Isles are in the extreme northwest of Europe, and thus would have the lowest frequency of this marker. This would not support Anglo-Israel suppositions about the origins of the Celtic and Germanic peoples.

[blam]

"Similarities in names are not in themselves proof of a common ancestral origin. In the United States, we have Danbury, Connecticut, Danville, Virginia, Danboro, Pennsylvania, Danvers, Massachusetts, and Dansville, New York. Do those names indicate that the Ten Lost Tribes settled our Eastern Seaboard? "

Everything that we are came from somewhere, huh? Dan's name is really getting around. Someone brought all those 'Dan's' with them from somewhere, huh?

[blam]

Yes, it's confusing. What do you think about the different tribes being of different ethnic/racial stock?

[blam]

Archaeologist Find Celts In Unlikely Spot: Central Turkey

[Lancey Howard]

Good post!

[Quix]

Couldn't prove it by me but it seems plausible.

Stranger things have happened. And there appears to be plenty of confirming evidence from multiple sources.

[Just mythoughts]

Could this explain that blessing given to Joseph, he got a double blessing?

Might even go a step to explaining why Christ told the disciples to go first to the "lost sheep" of the house of Israel.

Interesting what that it was King James that saw to it that the common man, each individual had access to written word.

Now Ezekiel 21:27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until He come Whose right it is; and I will give it Him.

How many times has that Stone of Destiny been overturned to date?

[Miss Marple]

I had always been told that the term "Black Irish" describes people who were descended from survivors of the disastrous Spanish Armada, who ended up stranded in Ireland.

However, I have been doing a little research this morning and there is some reason to believe that this is a myth that the English used to demonize the Irish, since the Spanish were considered enemies for so many years.

I also found out that there are people who are called the "Black Dutch" who are believed to have descended from Sephardic Jews who fled to Holland during the Inquisition.

Interestingly, Celts in France also show the same two types...darker-haired "black" types as well as the red-haired, green-eyed variety.

This does not contribute greatly to the origin of the Stone of Scone, but does indicate that using physical characteristics is not really proof of anything.

Has anyone ever taken a small sample of the stone to see where the rock originated? I would imagine that a piece of sandstone could be traced back to its country of origin, given the geological records that are now on computer.

[Just mythoughts]

There is one big problem with what you claim.

It is written that the TWO HOUSES were not taken captive at the same time nor by the same people.

The Ten Tribes the Northern Kingdom were taken captive by the "ASSYRIAN" King and taken North. The House of Judah and Benjamin were taken to Babylon.

Paul was from the tribe of Benjamin.

Now each of these tribes were given distinct blessings clear back in the book of Genesis. If one reads what is given and promised to these twelve and the promise given to Abraham, then the "MODERN" historians and "Theory-ogians" have no credibility.

But hey each one to his own our Heavenly Father did not loose his "SHEEP", as it is written the "SHEEP" don't know who they are, as was prophesied over and over and over again.

Also as it is written it will be Christ himself that will rejoin the two houses at His return.

[Junior]

The Christian Identity movement (one of the most virulently racist movements in the U.S.) advocates the idea that the Hebrews of the Bible were Aryans and the Jews are simply "mud people" who've usurped the Aryans' proper place in the world. Now I know where this twisted version of history originated. Thanks.

[Just mythoughts]

Sorry, Christian Identy movement "racist movement" not unlike so many other movements takes a bit here and there to advocate what they want to believe.

"Aryan" is not used in the Word. To make a claim to be someone whom they are not makes one a fraud. So for you to read a tid bit here or there and "associate" that tib bit to a bunch of nuts is your choice.

You have not studied much of what is WRITTEN to be able to verify what is stated, you have only reacted to what a bunch of nuts take and distort for their own agenda.

Let's not forget that what is written to the children of Israel and about their whoredoms forced our Heavenly Father to divorce them and scatter them to the four corners, so they would not know who they were.

[blam]

"Has anyone ever taken a small sample of the stone to see where the rock originated? I would imagine that a piece of sandstone could be traced back to its country of origin, given the geological records that are now on computer."

Yup, that seems so simple. My guess is that it has been done already and someone did not like the result...that's why we don't know that result, huh?

[blam]

"I had always been told that the term "Black Irish" describes people who were descended from survivors of the disastrous Spanish Armada, who ended up stranded in Ireland."

Maybe, I've read in a couple different places that the term 'black Irish' was used prior to that time. I've even read one guy who thinks that the term relates to a tribe of 'Bushmen' who were in Ireland in prehistory. The same guy speculates that these same folks were the source of the myth of Leprechauns...and, the Bushmen do have some traits and habits that are similar to the myths of the Leprechauns. Who knows?

[blam]

"The ancient Persians spoke an Indo-European language and there is considerable evidence that indicates that at least the Persian aristocracy was generally European in appearance, as were the Aryan invaders of India. Even to this day, some high caste Indians, especially in that nation's north, could pass for Europeans. "

Ryan & Pittman, in their book Noah's Flood (Salt water flooding of the fresh water Black Sea in 5600BC) , speculate that the regugees from this flood streamed up the river valleys feeding the Black Sea and spilled over and into Europe bring farming and the Indo-European language with them. I've taken the thought a bit further and speculate that these same refugees were the Aryan invaders of India and also the source of the 4,000 year old Caucasian mummies (up the Silk Road) found in the deserts of China.

Victor Mair, in his book The Tarim Mummies, has determined that the China mummies spoke the Indo-European language Tocharian A&B, an extinct language. The mummies wore tartan clothing associated with the Celts.

[Swanks]

I would really like to hear your comments on whether you believe this or not and anything you may know that is associated with "The Stone Of Destiny.

One of my posessions from my father is a book about the Arbroath Abbey (1178 AD)in Arboath Scotland. (He was born there) Much of the Declaration of Arbroath,(1320 AD) BTW, the basis for the US Declaration of Independance)

In 1957 the Stone was stolen (returned if your'e a Scot) from England to Scotland and missing for a number of months. I remember people asking my father where he thought the Stone might be. He responded each time he did not think he knew, He knew where it was. (But would not say)It was buried where it belonged; in the East end of the Abbey where the alter once was. And that's where they ultimately found it. Had the Brits known thier history they would have started looking there.

In this book, is a picture of the ruins of the Abbey; one of which shows the 'East end'. Handwritten near the pic is a note by the Administrator of the time (1960) noting with an X the exact location where it was eventually found, and the date. Not the date found, the date "received".

Of course, knowing untimately the Stone would be returned - you don't think the Scots would be dumb enough to let the real Stone be found and taken back. Many believe the Stome of Destinay never left Scotland from the 1957 date on. What WAS returned (legend has it) was a replica stone carved from one serving as a cover of a cesspool. The Scots in the know took great joy in knowing future coranations took place with Bristish royalty using the eqaivelent of a toilet seat, in their ceremony.

[blam]

A chemical analysis of the stone(s) could quickly determine which is the real stone and where it is from, huh? I wonder why that hasn't been done?

[Wallace T.]

I believe in the Genesis account of the dispersal of the nations following the Tower of Babel and the confounding of the languages as described in Genesis 11. Given that mankind slowly spread across the earth in the centuries following that event, it is likely that while the descendants of Ham migrated to Africa, for the most part, and those of Japheth to Europe, residual populations remained in the Middle East. Thus the Egyptians and the Canaanites, who were Hamitic, and the Persians and the Hyskos, who were Japhetic (Indo-Europeans) were close physical neighbors to the Semitic nations. The Semitic and Indo-European language families are clearly different in vocabulary and grammar, and their sepration occured at the Tower of Babel. The breakdown from the original Indo-European into Germanic, Keltic, Italic, Sanskrit, etc., took place as the various tribes descended from Japheth spread northward, westward, and eastward from the Middle Eastern point of origin. However, the Tower of Babel event and the subsequent dispersion of humanity began well before 2000 BC, the approximate date of the birth of Abraham, the founder of the Jewish nation. By the time the 12 tribes were conquered and expelled from the Holy Land (7th and 6th Centuries BC), the proto-Celts had settled a large portion of Western and Central Europe, with some Celts also living in Turkey and the proto-Germans had established their territory in northern Germany and Scandinavia, with some possibly in Ukraine.

[blam]

"I believe in the Genesis account of the dispersal of the nations following the Tower of Babel and the confounding of the languages as described in Genesis 11. "

I'm not very religious so, a lot of the bibical things are unknown to me. My main interests are anthropology/archaeology but, they do cross paths with the religious from time to time.