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To: huck von finn
She didn't use it to determine the proper course of medical treatment; her doctors did that.She only used it to make sure she wasn't being kept "alive" unnecessarily. She filled out the forms after asking her physician questions...but she was a smart woman who had been married to a surgeon, too.

Btw, huck, no offense meant, but this doesn't sound so smart to me, as you claimed your mother was, married to a surgeon and all. What is smart about giving up choices and rights in healthcare, especially when you are seriously ill?

You are saying here that she gave up her right to deternmine her own treatment, simply filling out a form giving that right to her physicians to make choices for her.

I just hope this was not the issue that caused you to label her as a smart woman in this post. There is nothing smart about giving away your choices at random to the physician who happens to be caring for you that day. Have you seen the recent study which showed that doctors make choices for their patients based on their own bias about what they would want in the shoes of the patient, and not based on what is a good choice for the patient or even on what the patient has stated they want?
The study just came out a few months ago and was overwhelmingly clear on this. Which leads me to believe that your mother, in giving away her choices, was treated according to the choices of the doctor of the day.

Or maybe she was a smart woman in your eyes because she gave up her choices and therefore caused you no grief about her choice of allowing death at the earliest opportunity?

Again I don't mean to be offensive here, but after all you do seem to be in the camp of those who believe the elderly, etc, have a "responsibility" to die when they either become a burden or their healthcare costs begin to get annoying.

I look forward to your response.

982 posted on 10/17/2003 9:51:20 AM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: MarMema
Posted by MarMema to huck von finn On News/Activism 10/17/2003 10:51 AM MDT #982 of 1,074 Btw, huck, no offense meant, but this doesn't sound so smart to me, as you claimed your mother was, married to a surgeon and all. What is smart about giving up choices and rights in healthcare, especially when you are seriously ill?

You are saying here that she gave up her right to deternmine her own treatment, simply filling out a form giving that right to her physicians to make choices for her.

I just hope this was not the issue that caused you to label her as a smart woman in this post. There is nothing smart about giving away your choices at random to the physician who happens to be caring for you that day. Have you seen the recent study which showed that doctors make choices for their patients based on their own bias about what they would want in the shoes of the patient, and not based on what is a good choice for the patient or even on what the patient has stated they want?

The study just came out a few months ago and was overwhelmingly clear on this. Which leads me to believe that your mother, in giving away her choices, was treated according to the choices of the doctor of the day.

Or maybe she was a smart woman in your eyes because she gave up her choices and therefore caused you no grief about her choice of allowing death at the earliest opportunity?

Again I don't mean to be offensive here, but after all you do seem to be in the camp of those who believe the elderly, etc, have a "responsibility" to die when they either become a burden or their healthcare costs begin to get annoying.

I look forward to your response.

MarMema, this is my response: I have no wish to correspond with you further, since you mischaracterize, make gross assumptions, and seem capable of nothing but ad hominem attacks. Your posting behavior is weak, desperate, and morally dishonest. Good day.

1,077 posted on 10/17/2003 11:55:16 AM PDT by huck von finn
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