Jeb Bush CAN STOP death of TERRI SCHIAVO !!! CALL!!!

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[strela]

But what if, with therapy, you could begin to eat again, could move your fingers again, could communicate and interact with the world again?

Yes, but in your hypothetical situation, HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE FOR ME TO MAKE IT TO THAT POINT? I'm not interested in spending 15 years attached to a tube being completely immobilized in order to have the slim chance of being able to move a finger or a toe later on down the road. Sorry, that's not just for me. Pass me my 9mm please, and leave the room.

[MarMema]

So you think that her husband is the right choice to make the decision to end Terri's life, then? To act on her behalf in the most thoughtful, caring manner as a surrogate?

Even though a guardian ad litem appointed by the court once said just the opposite, that there were significant conflicts of interest in allowing this husband to act as her surrogate.

[strela]

And I don't understand your point. Are you not able to answer the question?

The point is that you are asking irrelevant questions of me; I was merely returning the favor. Why are you evading them?

[strela]

And speaking of playing God, do you think these People should have been dehydrated to death instead of being allowed to live?

That should be THEIR choice, not yours.

[MarMema]

Since she has no cerebral cortex, apparently Schiavo is alive, yes, but not aware.

Did you know they said this about Karen Ann Quinlan too, and when they autopsied her brain, they discovered she had a very intact and functional cerebral cortex?

Would you like to see the autopsy report from the New England Journal of Medicine?

Did you know there is no way to be certain whether someone has a cerebral cortex which functions or not until after they have died and you can autopsy their brain?

[huck von finn]

But what if, with therapy, you could begin to eat again, could move your fingers again, could communicate and interact with the world again?

Your optimism is admirable, but without the cerebral cortex, this kind of rehabilitation is impossible. It's like expecting an amputated leg to grow back.

[MarMema]

But it was not an irrelevant question.

[strela]

So you think that her husband is the right choice to make the decision to end Terri's life, then? To act on her behalf in the most thoughtful, caring manner as a surrogate? Even though a guardian ad litem appointed by the court once said just the opposite, that there were significant conflicts of interest in allowing this husband to act as her surrogate.

That's what we have a court system for - to help answer these types of tough questions. Schiavo did not have a Living Will on file, and now she has paid the price for it. Sorry, but that's the truth.

[SwordofTruth]

Yes. And your trying to tie this to schoolchildren or infants is a ridiculously lame debating tactic.

They are killing this woman in a manner that you would be arrested for if she were an animal. This is so sad. While we are "debating" a planned murder is taking place in Florida.

[MarMema]

Your optimism is admirable

Your naivete is not.

[MHGinTN]

You wrote, "If you consider being imprisoned in a hospital bed, taking your nourishment through a tube, and being helpless to even move a finger as "life" ..." Strela, you appear to be missing the point. Terri is imprisoned because her guardian 'husband' will not allow her to have any of the rehabilitation therapy that was paid in advance to the tune of $750,000 into a trust fund! He will not allow her to be taken outside, to be taken to a McDonalds, to be given therapy for her legs and arms and back muscles. HE has created the imprisonment. Now, with the direct aid of an incompetent judge who has business ties to the atty representing Michael Schiavo in this effort to have Terri executed via dehydration, Terri is to be 'put down' because she cannot function in the way she very well might have if the husband and judge had allowed ... no, strike that ... if the husband and the judge had not forbidden the therapy she so needed and for which Michael Schiavo won a palpractice lawsuit to pay for!

So you see, 'imprisoned in a hospital bed, taking nourishment through a tube, and being helpless' is the purposed state her husband has achieved through the abuse of neglect and willful withholding of therapy that was paid for!

[MarMema]

great so now how about those children in the ICU at Boston Childrens? Can we begin killing them and getting those young, highly useable livers before they die?

[MarMema]

That's what we have a court system for

Especially if the court system says those young children in the ICU are in an "irreversible" state and cannot be rehabilitated....does that make it ok then to take their organs?

[huck von finn]

Schiavo has very little cerebral cortex left, period. There is spinal fluid where the cortex should be.

Quinlan's problem was related to the thalamus, not the cerebral cortex, as assumed initially, but at least hers wasn't gone.

[MarMema]

Just another worshipper of the god of autonomy.....

[MarMema]

There is spinal fluid where the cortex should be.

And you know this to be true, how?

[strela]

Did you know they said this about Karen Ann Quinlan too, and when they autopsied her brain, they discovered she had a very intact and functional cerebral cortex?

So? What about her cerebellum, hypothalamus, and brainstem? She still was unable to move or perform any higher-order functionality on her own.

[MarMema]

A. read it in the St. Petersburg Times

B.read it in the NYTimes

C.read it in the Enquirer

[MarMema]

She still was unable to move or perform any higher-order....

That is correct. Have you read the autopsy report?

[MHGinTN]

I would be very interested in see the documentation from which you base this assertion ... and I have sufficient medical background to understand it, so don't be shy.