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To: asformeandformyhouse
That makes as much sense as the guy who wants proof of God. If God can be proven, then he's not much of a God, is he?

Why? Why would a divine being want to conceal clear evidence of his own existence? Why, having created an intelligent being, would you want you own existence not to be subject to that being's intelligent inquiry?

but if you're honest with yourself and put away your disdain for 'religion', then you'll have to at least see that just as any religion is made up of it's 'believers', so is this doctor's.

I have no particular disdain for religion, and I'm inclined to resent your ad hominem. Nor have you shown that this hypothesis is in any way equivalent to a religious belief. A hypothesis necessarily allows for its own possible falsity; what religion starts by saying "now all this could be wrong, but ..."?

49 posted on 10/16/2003 8:50:42 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
Why? Why would a divine being want to conceal clear evidence of his own existence? Why, having created an intelligent being, would you want you own existence not to be subject to that being's intelligent inquiry?

God certainly had the power to make us all believe in Him without resorting to giving His own life and passing the faith through 12 men. He chooses to work this way and, hey, He's God... He can.

My own fallible understanding of Him would lead me to answer your question by asking "what is the purpose of faith?" If God can be reduced to a mathmatically formula, then what jewel is found in fellowship? If there is no faith, then there is no real acceptance. Let's put this in human terms... we don't have relationships with each other that are impirically static. How rewarding would that be? In order to have a relationship, there has to layers of discovery... once everything there is to know is known what point is there to further exploration? A relationship without mystery (even some small mystery) isn't alive.

All may come to Him but not all choose to. It is a choice to make, not a formula to complete. I asked earlier who is God in this scenario (and it applies to your question), the one who Created all that is and exerts sovereignty or the one who was created who DEMANDS proof?

You don't believe because God doesn't conform to man's understanding of science... just who is God here anyway?

55 posted on 10/16/2003 9:05:20 AM PDT by pgyanke ("The Son of God became a man to enable men to become sons of God" - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Right Wing Professor
Why? Why would a divine being want to conceal clear evidence of his own existence?

He hasn't. Look around, it's everywhere. I stated that God can't be proven, not that there was no evidence of God. As a Professor I would have thought you understand the difference between proof and evidence.

Why, having created an intelligent being, would you want you own existence not to be subject to that being's intelligent inquiry?

God's existence is not subject to our intelligent inquiry, although I believe actual intelligent inquiry into his word will show us that God does exist. Our belief subjects us to God. If one doesn't believe in God, this in no way affects God's existence or non-existence, only our response to the conclusion we've reached. If God's existence were dependent on our intelligent inquiry, then we would in fact be God, as we would have the power to create or destroy God himself.

89 posted on 10/16/2003 10:16:56 AM PDT by asformeandformyhouse
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To: Right Wing Professor
I have no particular disdain for religion, and I'm inclined to resent your ad hominem

You are correct. After re-reading the posts, I see that it was not your post that I gathered the 'disdain' from. I apoligize.

131 posted on 10/16/2003 11:48:03 AM PDT by asformeandformyhouse
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