To: Ogmios
Yep, I was totally off, totally and completely wrong.
Here's the page, Dr Kaku is the man that edxplains it.
Physicspost
Here is the basic premise of the scales.
Type I this civilization harnesses the energy output of an entire planet.
Type II this civilization harnesses the energy output of a star, and generates about 10 billion times the energy output of a Type I civilization.
Type III this civilization harnesses the energy output of a galaxy, or about 10 billion time the energy output of a Type II civilization.
A Type I civilization would be able to manipulate truly planetary energies. They might, for example, control or modify their weather. They would have the power to manipulate planetary phenomena, such as hurricanes, which can release the energy of hundreds of hydrogen bombs. Perhaps volcanoes or even earthquakes may be altered by such a civilization.
A Type II civilization may resemble the Federation of Planets seen on the TV program Star Trek (which is capable of igniting stars and has colonized a tiny fraction of the near-by stars in the galaxy). A Type II civilization might be able to manipulate the power of solar flares.
A Type III civilization may resemble the Borg, or perhaps the Empire found in the Star Wars saga. They have colonized the galaxy itself, extracting energy from hundreds of billions of stars.
By contrast, we are a Type 0 civilization, which extracts its energy from dead plants (oil and coal). Growing at the average rate of about 3% per year, however, one may calculate that our own civilization may attain Type I status in about 100-200 years, Type II status in a few thousand years, and Type III status in about 100,000 to a million years. These time scales are insignificant when compared with the universe itself.
On this scale, one may now rank the different propulsion systems available to different types of civilizations:
Type 0
Chemical rockets
Ionic engines
Fission power
EM propulsion (rail guns)
Type I
Ram-jet fusion engines
Photonic drive
Type II
Antimatter drive
Von Neumann nano probes
Type III
Planck energy propulsion
Thanks for making me look that up, because I was so far off that it is insane.
And now I am not!! LOL
111 posted on
10/16/2003 11:11:26 AM PDT by
Ogmios
(Who is John Galt?)
To: JethroHathAWay; PatrickHenry; All
Please see my above post, I was so far off that it is ridiculous.
113 posted on
10/16/2003 11:13:26 AM PDT by
Ogmios
(Who is John Galt?)
To: Ogmios
Solar sails. Welcome to TYPE II. Nah, that just crusing on the wind. We are a long way from Dyson's Spheres.
(Still freaked out at the old movie 'PHASE IV')
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