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The N.R.A. Is Naming Names
The New York Times ^ | 10-13-03 | BOB HERBERT

Posted on 10/13/2003 4:01:20 AM PDT by johnny7

The National Rifle Association doesn't call it an enemies list, but deep in the recesses of the organization's Web site is a long, long compilation of the names of groups and individuals that the N.R.A. considers unfriendly.

I'm happy to report that I'm on the list, but my name is truly one among very many. The A.F.L.-C.I.O. is there, and the American Academy of Pediatrics. The Children's Defense Fund and the Lutheran Office for Governmental Affairs are there. The United States Catholic Conference, the U.S. Conference of Mayors and the Y.W.C.A. of the U.S.A. are all there.

Among the celebrities on the list are Dr. Joyce Brothers, Candice Bergen, Walter Cronkite, Doug Flutie, Michelle Pfeiffer, Vinny Testaverde, Moon Zappa and the Temptations. Also on the list are the Kansas City Chiefs, Hallmark Cards, the Sara Lee Corporation, Ben & Jerry's, and Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Kansas City. I'm sure there's a method to the N.R.A. madness, but to tell you the truth, all I can see is the madness.

All of the groups and individuals listed are supposed to be anti-gun. I can't speak for the Kansas City Chiefs or Moon Zappa, but I'm not anti-gun. I think soldiers, the police and certain other law enforcement officials should have guns. Civilians, however, should be required to demonstrate a good reason for having firearms. We should go to great lengths to keep guns out of the hands of children, criminals and insane people. All guns should be registered. And all gun owners should be properly trained and licensed. The N.R.A. sees this as a radical, even lunatic position. So I guess we're at odds.

I asked Andrew Arulanandam, the N.R.A.'s director of public affairs, why the list had been compiled and displayed on the Web site. He said, "We put the list together in response to many requests by our members wanting to know which organizations support the rights of law-abiding Americans to keep and bear arms, and which organizations didn't." I asked what he thought his members would do with the information. He said, "How they use the information is at their own discretion."

I recently read Jules Witcover's book "The Year the Dream Died: Revisiting 1968 in America." The murders that year of Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy were among the great tragedies of U.S. history. Both were killed by freaks with guns. What is not so well known now is that President Lyndon Johnson tried, in the aftermath of the murders, to get Congress to pass legislation requiring the registration of guns and the licensing of owners. The gun lobby fought and killed that effort, and it continues to fight to the death any attempt to bring sanity to the manufacture, sale and possession of guns. Between 1968, the year of Johnson's failure to get his legislation passed, and 2001, the last year for which complete statistics are available, more than one million Americans were killed by firearms.

No number of gun-related fatalities or serious injuries is sufficient to deter the N.R.A. from its fanatical course. A former N.R.A. lawyer has admitted in an affidavit in a lawsuit that distributors and gun dealers have for years been illegally diverting guns that end up in the hands of criminals, and that the industry has closed its eyes to the practice.

Instead of fighting to end this threat to the public's safety, the gun lobby and its allies in Congress are pushing legislation that would protect the practice by granting special immunity from liability to gun manufacturers and sellers.

The big item on the legislative agenda next year is the federal assault-weapons ban signed into law by President Bill Clinton in 1994. Because of a sunset provision, the law will expire next September if it is not renewed by Congress and the president. The gun lobby has made it clear that it will do all in its power to bury the ban. The plan is to not even let the issue come up for a vote.

The N.R.A. Web site and its enemies list (which looks like nothing so much as a broad cross-section of America) has led inevitably to a counter Web site, nrablacklist.com, created by a group called stopthenra.com. In addition to facing off against the gun lobby on legislative matters, the new group and its site are inviting people to volunteer for a spot on the N.R.A. enemies list. Ah, free expression. 


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To: johnny7
40 Reasons For Gun Control
Significant portions of this article are excerpted from Michael Z. Williamson's excellent and witty piece, "It's amazing what one has to believe to believe in gun control"

1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, & Chicago cops need guns.

2. Washington DC's low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Indianapolis' high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.

3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."

4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in 1994 are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining since 1991.

5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.

6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.

7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.

8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.

9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense -- give them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p.125).

10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns; just like Guns & Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.

11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seatbelts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for internal medicine, a computer programmer for hard drive problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.

12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917.

13. The National Guard, federally funded, with bases on federal land, using federally-owned weapons, vehicles, buildings and uniforms, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a "state" militia.

14. These phrases: "right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumerations herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people," and "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people" all refer to individuals, but "the right of the people to keep and bear arm" refers to the state.

15. "The Constitution is strong and will never change." But we should ban and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments to that Constitution.

16. Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense! Of course, the army has hundreds of thousands of them.

17. Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they aren't "military weapons", but private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles", because they are military weapons.

18. In spite of waiting periods, background checks, finger printing, government forms, etc., guns today are too readily available, which is responsible for recent school shootings. In the 1940's, 1950's and1960's, anyone could buy guns at hardware stores, army surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, Sears mail order, no waiting, no background check, no fingerprints, no government forms and there were no school shootings.

19. The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling guns is propaganda, but the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign is responsible social activity.

20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.

21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.

22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is "an accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are "preying on their fears."

23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.

24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.

25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves.

26. Any self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a "weapon of mass destruction" or an "assault weapon."

27. Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.

28. The right of Internet pornographers to exist cannot be questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.

29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters, but self-defense only justifies bare hands.

30. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.

31. Charlton Heston, a movie actor as president of the NRA is a cheap lunatic who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas, a movie actor as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.

32. Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger capacity pistol magazines than do "civilians" who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.

33. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.

34. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over hand guns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.

35. Private citizens don't need a gun for self-protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.

36. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need a gun.

37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.

38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion, that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that's good.

39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.

40. Handgun Control, Inc. says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands." Guess what? You have the wrong hands.

61 posted on 10/13/2003 6:47:46 AM PDT by Gunner Mike (Ready on the right? Ready on the left? All ready on the firing line.)
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To: johnny7
So it's not true that all men put their pants on one leg at a time. This author proves that some men, liberals, wear their pants on their head, their belts cutting off circulation to the brain. I've always suspected as much.
62 posted on 10/13/2003 6:52:04 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: johnny7
I sorta fall in with the liberals on gun control - if you have to load your weapon onto a trailer and hook it up to a semi-truck or locomotive to move it, individuals should not be allowed to own such armament.
63 posted on 10/13/2003 6:55:53 AM PDT by sergeantdave (You will be judged by 12 people who were too stupid to get out of jury duty)
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To: OXENinFLA
The National Educator is a conspiracy rag. I wouldn't put much stock in something that no one else heard but them.
64 posted on 10/13/2003 6:56:33 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Rob45and2
Holy Cow. Wouldn't it have been easier to list those of us who do believe in gun ownership?
65 posted on 10/13/2003 6:56:52 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody got a peanut.....)
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To: johnny7
It makes no difference what your name is, and it makes no difference what kind of sweet sounding, mom and apple pie name you give your organization.

If you choose to ignore my 2nd amendment rights, I can, and do choose to ignore your 1st amendment rights.

See how that works? It's really quite simple.

66 posted on 10/13/2003 7:06:41 AM PDT by fightu4it (conquest by immigration and subversion spells the end of US.)
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To: Rebelbase

You forgot one.

67 posted on 10/13/2003 7:14:01 AM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: johnny7
What part of the second ammendment don't these idiots understand. The single thing that stands between "us" and the government is the governments knowledge that "us" is armed.
68 posted on 10/13/2003 7:22:56 AM PDT by sandydipper (Never quit - never surrender!)
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To: johnny7
I tried to go to stopthenra.com to ask to be added to their enemies list but I could not find a way to do so.

They appear to be just a tenticle of the Brady bunch and the "Million Mom March"...

--Boris

69 posted on 10/13/2003 7:23:26 AM PDT by boris (The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
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To: johnny7
"Civilians, however, should be required to demonstrate a good reason for having firearms."

Here's a good reason: "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

--Boris

70 posted on 10/13/2003 7:28:28 AM PDT by boris (The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
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To: johnny7
I do think that anyone who wears a bra and panties* should be able to name our 3 branches of federal government, the Speaker of the House and the President of the Senate before entering the voting booth.

*That would include a lot of male Democratic voters as well.

71 posted on 10/13/2003 7:30:46 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: johnny7
“... I'm not anti-press. I think the military , the police and certain other government officials should have the right to publish the news. Civilians, however... ”
72 posted on 10/13/2003 8:00:01 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig ("I've got a feeling you've got a heart like mine. Let's stomp some rat ba!!$, you can let it shine.")
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To: TN4Liberty
that 28 thousand includes people killed by criminals, people killed by "illegal guns" mostly owed by criminals killed by police, Gary Gilmore, executed by firing squad.

The correct number to justify his position would be the number of unjustified or accidental shootings by legal gun owners. I would go so far as to subtract bad shootings by police officers, since he does not advocate disarming of the police.

Does anyone know that latter number? I would like to figure out the order of magnitude of his lie. I understand the accidental shootings number is near 50 a year, slightly less dangerous than accidental drowndings in 5 gallon buckets.
73 posted on 10/13/2003 8:28:53 AM PDT by donmeaker (Bigamy is one wife too many. So is monogamy.)
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To: johnny7; archy; harpseal; Squantos; Joe Brower; wardaddy; Eaker; Mulder; Noumenon
"Road to civil war" ping.

"I'm not anti-gun. I think soldiers, the police and certain other law enforcement officials should have guns. Civilians, however, should be required to demonstrate [to the government] a good reason for having firearms."


74 posted on 10/13/2003 8:31:32 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Pharmboy
Heck, the entire list reads like a who's-who of the liberals in America.

I think I might have to re-think some of my reading list authors.....

75 posted on 10/13/2003 8:34:21 AM PDT by Maigrey (These (liberals) are the same people who think therapy will help the terrorists. -GWB, 9/23/03)
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To: johnny7
I'm not anti-gun. I think soldiers, the police and certain other law enforcement officials should have guns.

Bob, you make a great point. You're are not anti-gun. You are anti-Constitution.

76 posted on 10/13/2003 8:36:53 AM PDT by Tribune7 (It's not like he let his secretary drown in his car or something.)
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To: Grit
I was quite surprised to see Denis Leary on this list. I was under the impression he was of the libertarian bent.

Oh well, he's still pretty funny overall.
77 posted on 10/13/2003 8:42:54 AM PDT by Don W (Lead, follow, or get outta the way!)
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To: Travis McGee; JulieRNR21
A-yep, Bob Herbert is definitely up there on the list of "userful idiots". Imagine his surprise at his fate when his usefulness has ended.

I'm betting we see this op-ed in our local edition of the NYT-repeater (the Sarasota Herald-Tribune, or "SHT") within the week. Any takers?

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

78 posted on 10/13/2003 8:50:05 AM PDT by Joe Brower ("The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it." -- John Hay, 1872)
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To: TN4Liberty
Not even if you include wars.

Maybe if you go back through WWII?
79 posted on 10/13/2003 8:51:09 AM PDT by lepton
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To: Grit
Great list. I wonder how many retired veterans know about the AARP being on this list.
80 posted on 10/13/2003 8:52:16 AM PDT by Beck_isright (I'm Archie Bunker. Get my paper. Get my slippers. And shut up you hippy dope smoking piece of scum.)
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