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To: Fantasywriter
his statement that some so called birthers believe that only NBCs can create NBCs is a conniving lie.

Seems to be what this thread is talking about... look it over and get back to me.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3382200/posts

The term "or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution" referred to loyal Americans who lived in the thirteen colonies at the time of the Revolutionary War, thus establishing the first generation of United States "citizens," upon which future "natural born" citizens would be created. The Founders, under Article II, allowed these original U.S. citizens to be eligible for the Presidency.

As understood by the Founders and as applied to the U.S. Constitution, the term "natural born citizen" derived its meaning less from English Common Law, than from Vattel's "The Law of Nations."

They knew from reading Vattel that a "natural born citizen" had a different standard from just "citizen," for he or she was a child born in the country to two citizen parents (Vattel, Section 212 in original French and English translation).

188 posted on 01/27/2016 8:23:44 AM PST by LowOiL ("Let us do evil that good may come"? ....condemnation is just - Romans 3:8)
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To: LowOiL

You are misquoting and misapplying Vattel to twist and reverse the meaning. As I previously quoted and you ignored:

The Supreme Court of the United States said: The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)...Vattel, who, though not very full to this point, is more explicit and more satisfactory on it than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says: “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.”

Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939),...was a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States that a child born in the United States to naturalized parents on U.S. soil is a natural born citizen....”


194 posted on 01/27/2016 8:49:14 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: LowOiL

The point is that any two citizens can create a NBC. I.e.: two naturalized US citizens, even first generation immigrants, will have NBC children if they are born on US soil. Cruz stating that some believe only NBCs can have NBC children was dishonest and conniving. It would be like me saying, some radical geneticists believe the only way to create a unicorn is to breed a horse with a narwhal.

Great. Except it’s not true, and neither was Cruz comment. It was just a nasty way of dragging Trump’s mother into the debate. In a real debate, he’d have LOST points for interjecting such a creepy, baseless lie.


213 posted on 01/27/2016 10:47:06 AM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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