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Ted Cruz stands alone after the King Corn summit
Hot Air ^ | March 8, 2015 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 03/08/2015 9:18:56 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Yardstick; napscoordinator; laplata; SoConPubbie

“What had Abraham Lincoln ever run before he was elected president? His only government experience of any kind was as a one term congressman. Yet he somehow won a civil war. John Kennedy never ran anything bigger than a torpedo boat prior to his presidency, but he started us towards the moon.”

Good points. But it’s a straw man argument, and no matter what you say, it will be deemed irrelevant.

Do we want a RINO that has ran corporations or a state? We had that option last time. He lost against someone who not only never ran anything, but never had a real job either. So that constantly-harped on here argument is just a ploy to misdirect the conversation. And I will bring this up every time I see it ;)

I personally want someone with solid conservative values, that doesn’t flip-flop because it is politically expedient. Cruz has been tested in the corrupting environmental of DC and has proven himself to be incorruptible. That’s pretty impressive.


61 posted on 03/08/2015 11:25:57 AM PDT by Hardens Hollow (Couldn't find Galt's Gulch, so created our own Harden's Hollow to quit paying the fascist beast.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I think Cruz has quite a bit more depth than those guys.


62 posted on 03/08/2015 11:26:01 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Cruz is far and away the best conservative choice.


63 posted on 03/08/2015 11:26:55 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (You're either in or in the way.)
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To: napscoordinator; Nextrush; All
Well that issue isn’t even near my list of worries. One of my main issue is abortion and Walker knocked it out of the park this week.

Great, I'm with you on the abortion question, but it seems to me Walker is treating the symptom, not the cause: government "serving" us by oppressing and enslaving us, and to the urgency of addressing that cause, it flies way over Scott's head.

Cruz is confirming that he is looking at the cause of all this malaise -- excess government that presumes to dictate to free people, in this case, ethanol. From my socially conservative point of view, Roe v. Wade is the same except it's life and murder as opposed to capitalism and its moral markets. RvW forced Americans to accept legally what they rejected morally. Anti-discrimination laws force them to do the same. Government meddling is a feeder of fiscal and moral malaise because it is amoral. The conservative understands the value of cutting back government now, and of using government with restraint -- conservatively.

Cruz understands that this ethanol nuttiness is a symptom of tyrannical government, and he is stating a fundamental philosophy that is one of limited government. I'll vote for that because that's what I want to win.

64 posted on 03/08/2015 11:32:13 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Revel

Ted Cruz is the only candidate who is truthful with the voting public. Go Cruz.


65 posted on 03/08/2015 11:32:22 AM PDT by freedom1st
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To: napscoordinator

Walker is still studying polls and focus groups hedor deciding what his beliefs are. Cruz knows what he believes and it doesnt change much or very quickly.


66 posted on 03/08/2015 11:32:31 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
You’re saying Ted Cruz is making a vanity run at the White House?

Of course. Who else ran for President after serving a measly 2.5 years in the Senate?

Why can't Cruz stay in the Senate?

67 posted on 03/08/2015 11:37:56 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Lincoln was a lawyer for 20 years, a whig party leader, 12 years in Illinois hse of rep, one term in US Hse of rep, leader in new Republican party....before he ran for President.


68 posted on 03/08/2015 11:41:32 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Uh, Scott Walker has only been governor since 2011 (the year before Cruz was elected senator), so why can’t he stay in Wisconsin? If he is so effective there, won’t that state’s citizens get a bum deal if he leaves? See how that works?


69 posted on 03/08/2015 11:42:22 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.)
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To: Yardstick

Right.. I wasnt aware that Reagan shifted and evolved on major issues DURING a campaign. I think Reagan already had his beliefs without polls and focus groups. Walker is definitely not a Reagan.


70 posted on 03/08/2015 11:42:27 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; 2ndDivisionVet

“Today’s candidates have nothing on the Founders and the men who served in the early 1800s. Those men still had a wealth of experience and knowledge prior to getting elected to public office.”

How many times have you argued before the Supreme Court and won? I’d say it takes a wealth of knowledge and experience to do that, not just once but multiple times. Cruz knows Constitutional law, which is more than the Constitution-destroyer in the White House currently.

And now you’ll say that’s the wrong kind of experience... because the only answer you’ll accept is we put a flip-flopping pro-amnesty governor in the WH. Walker has done some great things, don’t get me wrong. But I don’t trust his last minute conversions. Haven’t we seen enough of that and been stabbed in the back enough? I escaped a beautiful but ruined state because of how the illegals have destroyed it and will not vote for anyone who doesn’t mind how the illegals steal benefits from citizens, refuse to assimilate and expect US to learn their language, and are here only to trash this country.


71 posted on 03/08/2015 11:42:31 AM PDT by Hardens Hollow (Couldn't find Galt's Gulch, so created our own Harden's Hollow to quit paying the fascist beast.)
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To: napscoordinator; 2ndDivisionVet
I am aware of Abe Lincoln who tried to destroy states rights.

States rights to own human slaves. Sorry, I know the CW was not really and not only about slavery ... but in essence it was very much like abortion. It was righteous and it won. You want an America where abortion is prohibited by law, and so do I. I would have wanted an America where owning humans as slaves was prohibited by law -- the CW settled that question.

You must see that a strong stance nationally outlawing abortion (that would be preferable, but I'd be satisfied with Roe v Wade overturn) would be very much like what Lincoln faced.

Bottom line: Cruz gets that too much government is the problem and it must be reduced now. To me, Walker seems to say that poorly administered government is the problem and we need to tweak it better as it grows.

72 posted on 03/08/2015 11:43:37 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Mr. Obama didn't need a ton of executive experience to transform (very effectively, I might add) this country from what it was for over 200 years to what we have now. Now that may look like ineptitude or failure to you, but believe me, it's what he intended and the left likes what they see. He didn't need experience as a governor to radically alter this country and Ted Cruz won't need it to turn the ship around.

Amen and mega BUMP ...

73 posted on 03/08/2015 11:46:21 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Obama. Who has been one of the most effective Presidents at pushing his vision on America. Hopefully Cruz can be the antidote.


74 posted on 03/08/2015 11:47:49 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Walker's endorsedment of an ethanol mandate is particularly offensive to broke, unemployed, underemployed, and employed Iowans who cannot find a job because the Corn-Welfare-Queens hire only illegal invaders.

This means OUR TAX MONEY is going to fund the paychecks of unpatriotic, non-citizens who work illegally in America.

In addition, these illegal invaders' families are collecting welfare program monies, while the poor and famished Iowan families starve and beg for the leftover scraps.

This is collectivism for non-Americans at its best!

75 posted on 03/08/2015 11:48:11 AM PDT by WIBamian (Cruz for President. Alabama Senator Jeff Sessions for Vice-President. True conservative heroes!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Conservative voters want him to run for President. We recognize his God-given talent to speak truth to the common man, the American citizen, and this truth is the power to bring about the manifest destiny of American exceptionalism from coast to coast.

We also believe he would be better than Walker because Walker has already shown his allegiance to Corporate-Welfare-Queens, who do not support the citizens in America.

BTW, you really should stop kissing the ring on Walker's hand, it's...un-conservative to do so.

76 posted on 03/08/2015 11:55:33 AM PDT by WIBamian (Cruz for President. Alabama Senator Jeff Sessions for Vice-President. True conservative heroes!)
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To: trebb

Your vampire analogy is the most ridiculous one ever posted here. After all, vampires are fictitious, and Washington politicians are real blood-suckers.

;-)


77 posted on 03/08/2015 11:58:51 AM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: trebb

“Agree that Cruz is the top of the line candidate in all aspects.
Still doesn’t make sense to try to destroy the field yet”

Yes, I am keeping Governor Walker on my short list of two.
1. SENATOR TED CRUZ
2. Governor Scott Walker


78 posted on 03/08/2015 12:04:40 PM PDT by duffee (Dump the Chairman of the Mississippi Republican Party, joe nosef.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wow.


79 posted on 03/08/2015 12:14:51 PM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s really disappointing to see these republican hopefuls pandering to the Iowa voters on ethanol. Every Presidential election, we are forced to go through this same silly exercise in trying to straddle the fence on this issue, and I do not understand why such small states as Iowa and New Hampshire get so much say in who our nominees will be. Corn ethanol is just a bad idea for fuel, as it not only requires more energy to come up with a gallon of fuel than gasoline, but it also diverts corn from food supplies, badly needed across the world.

Now, cellulosic ethanol, i.e., sugar cane ethanol, may make more sense, but in general, I don’t see how we justify subsidies to generate ethanol fuel, except to buy votes in the Iowa caucuses. And, as to those candidates who felt they could not do away with the RFS because it would be unfair to Iowa, well, so what? Some fuels are superior to others from a national perspective, and choices have to be made. Kudos to Cruz for not pandering and holding his position.


80 posted on 03/08/2015 12:20:40 PM PDT by mtrott
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