The Difference Between Winners And Whiners: The midterms will provide a valuable object lesson

The American Spectator ^ | September 29, 2014 | David Catron

[cva66snipe]

I'll say this only once. GOP-E candidate John McCain was the man who surrendered to Obama. He did more than that by saying he'd make a great president. I'm going to show you a quote I saw on another thread.

"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost."
— John Quincy Adams

Men who founded this nation were a minority politics wise. Many leaders in the day were content to remain under the kings rule as they enjoyed positions of privilege and power of being exempt from the laws of the day much like our elected officials today have made themselves. The Adams and others such as Jefferson and others who laid their very lives and fortunes on the line to declare independence and list the abuses of the throne. Do you think any GOP-E would do that?

We are loosing our nation and it is not a DEM vs GOP fight. It is a Conservative vs Liberal fight for the fate of this nation. Over a dozen of the GOP in the senate are Liberals with -R following their name. They are as corrupt as Harry Reid and Obama and these idiots think the DEMs are going to be sharing power meaning when the take over of the United States comes and the Constitution suspended that they will also remain in the ruling class. As such they will side with them. They don't care about you, about our nation, about our national heritage, about person freedoms, The Bill Of Rights, or even the value of human life except their own. They are there for what monetary and power they can increase for personal gain. They are owned by donors.

These stupid I didn't vote for Obama comments from Mitt voters sounds like lines straight out of "Animal Farm". I didn't vote for Mitt or Obama. I voted for Virgil Goode last POTUS election. Last senate election when Bob Corker was up for re-election I voted for Mark Clayton-D. Here's why. The DEMs loved Corker so well that as a party meaning in the organization they did not vet a candidate through usual channels thus anyone qualifying with enough signatures at time of primary deadline was the candidate. Mark Clayton was either the only one to do such or won the most votes of other unknowns and won the DEM nomination by default.

Clayton's platform was Conservative much more so than Corker. The Dems were so upset they tried to get him tossed off the party ticket. For once in my life I voted for a DEM in an office above local level. It was the right choice to make. Corker got the GOP nomination simply because of open primaries in our state. You mention closed primaries and the GOP-E will fight it tooth and nail.

Romney set a bad precedent in this nation by Romney Care in his state. Most GOP voters do not want it. Mitts inability to even be able to debate Obama was another huge reason Mitt lost. Added to that most persons outside of the northeast and California see Massachusetts as almost being a Communist state politically Romney was a huge turn off to all the base but the GOP-E who adore Rockefeller Republicans. It's never the RINO's fault with GOP-E now is it?

The GOP has some Reagans who with some support from the party could step up and go far in turning this nation back around. GOP-E hated Reagan. The Bush Family loathed his policies both GHW Bush and GW Bush. The GOP-E and the Clinton Democrats are in effect one and the same. Even W admitted that he and Gore were close on most issues.

The GOP-E shills think that everyone else like them watches FOX News for Rove and McCains next fart to tell them what they are supposed to think and do. The smell of crap is just that the smell of crap. The prevailing winds of the GOP-E is Bull Crap. No thanks.

[cva66snipe]

The Constitution Party? Where do they have their national convention? In a phone booth? Indirectly, you and all you third party types (and I was a libertarian member) help hand elections to liberals. You aren’t a conservative...if you were you would DEFEAT Obama, not ELECT him.

Before you open your uneducated in Conservative history mouth maybe you should find out who was the Founder of The Constitution Party. Hint he was a Co-Founder of The Moral Majority whom Reagan listened too. Again No Constitution Party Candidate ever said Obama would make a good POTUS and gave up even running after securing the party ticket. McCain owns that loss. You can thank certain so called GOP Strategist and money handlers for McCain even being seriously considered.

McCain and Romney???? Of all the good talent the GOP does have Dumb and Dumber won the nod. A Conservative would have likely had a large margin win in 2012. The GOP-E made certain it didn't happen. Conservatives in the GOP went elsewhere or stayed home, Conservatives in the Dem Party said they'd keep their own party in for the once cent difference.

Now who's the GOP-E talking about for 2014? Christie the Obama huger, Romney again, Jeb Bush despite the name Bush now makes most person cringe or new GOP-E Conservative sellout Rand Paul. Didn't take him long did it? What about a Conservative? The GOP-E is fixing to hand Reid another term as SML all engineered by a few persons who with Liberal Media help have become the king of the Republican Party yet hold no elected office.

[ExCTCitizen]

If I think the Constitution Party would win elections (and after a few years of being a Libertarian Party member, I knew I threw away votes), I might look at it. However, as an ex-3rd party member, I can't join a party that'll never win Congress. Sorry, I had my share of third parties.

You should join the Dems, you are helping them win. Me, I'm fighting the GOPe by being a member and I speak my mind at meetings. Ever join your local Republican party? If you never did, don't complain if you have RINOs.

[cva66snipe]

About twenty five years before your sign on date here I was writing letters to congressmen and Editors, making calls to same, and exposing Medicaid Fraud in my state as well as later fighting against what was to become the prototype for Hillary Care. I'm an activist in my own right and I haven't lost on an issue once I took it own.

My plate is too full with some serious family comes first obligations to be involved in a party position. I could not guarantee my availability due to my presence at home for the most part 24/7. And besides no party owns my votes not even the Constitution Party.

I've voted DEM nationally just once and that was for U.S. Senate and I made my case for it. The DEM deserved the vote the RINO did not and the RINO is a long time DEM backer. It was cut and dry. The other was county Sheriff who was doing his job satisfactory. Last election a few months ago I changed that vote due to his budget demands placed on a strapped county budget.

Knock it off with the childish a vote for Independent is helping Dems crap. You mock the ones who died to give us the freedom & right to vote to start with in doing so. If some had their way we would only be allowed a two party system where a small select oligarchy would decide the two allowed choices.

[ExCTCitizen]

OK, I will say that I was wrong with the third party helps liberals, however I know that if I don't go and visit meetings I shouldn't complain. I helped my parents campaign when I was 12 for Nixon...and when I was 16 I went a tried to get Reagan elected. In 1980 l was ridiculed for campaigning for Reagan at my university.

I'm going to visit the web site of the Constitution Party. Am I going to say that the Republicans are perfect? No, they aren't. I voted for a few Dems (Ella Grasso was one, since I knew her. I voted for Lieberman, too.), but no, the conservative wing of the Dem party is dead.

[cva66snipe]

I think taking care of a seriously disabled spouse comes before a party meeting. What I can do such as post in here I do plus some advocacy work. I’m also medical POA for a seriously ill sibling. I’m disabled myself. I wasn’t exaggerating having a full plate.

[ExCTCitizen]

That I have to command you for. I know it is tough since I do it for my parents. I know that taking care of parents (my dad has bladder cancer and mom has heart problems) is tough. My parents live in a retirement - golf community.

Myself, I am worried that if conservatives don't unite, the Marxists, Socialists and RINOs will unite to trample our freedoms. That is why I'm trying to fight within the Republican Party.

[cva66snipe]

Marxist, Socialist, and RINO's passed that point back in the late 1990's. They are quite united. Any animosity shown between the likes of Reid, McCain, McConnell, Pelosi, Boehner, etc is a pretense. The last Republican POTUS left office in 1989. Really 1981-1988 POTUS was the exception to the rule for GOP presidents since Nixon. Ford or Carter? A nickle or five pennies. Same with Bush family and Clinton and for that matter Gore. I doubt most of Obama's antics even upset them.

The GOP does have a very few with the wisdom and know how to get us back on track. Cruz, Lee, Jeff Sessions, are the short list. The GOP leadership would love to find something on them to be rid of them. Had the GOP grew a spine and backed Cruz on the budget I might have had some hope the party could be salvaged working within it. As Dr McCoy told Captain Kirk "It's dead Jim". 1996 was the stake through the heart a steak that Boehner himself had crafted. His damage and power with the GOP as to who does what goes back that far. Most persons don't know the story. The speaker of the House following Newt was supposed to be Bill Paxon -R -NY. That was part of Boehner's to have him as SOH after he ran out Newt. Boehner accomplished half of it.