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To: highball

Unfortunately the Constitution did not clearly define it, but the founders based it on Vattel’s Law of Nations - In book one chapter 19,§ 212 Of the citizens and natives :-

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”

In the April 2008 senate resolution 511, it was ‘resolved’ that McCain, born to American parentS on an American military base, is a nbc.

Congress had tried several times to change the definition of nbc (from Vatell’s definition to something different) but failed every time. Why the need to change it? Because they know nbc means one born in the country of parents who are citizens, thus making Obama and the like ineligible to be POTUS!

4 supreme court cases had ruled on this - nbc is a citizen born in the country of parents who are citizens!

Do your own due diligence.

We repeat it because it is the truth.

You claim that we repeat it to make it true, when in fact you refuse to seek the truth; you would rather accuse us of making it up.


69 posted on 08/30/2013 2:02:57 PM PDT by chrisnj
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To: highball; chrisnj; elengr
highball,
“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

Mmmmm that’s funny. I see no reference within the body of the US Constitution that explicitly defines the words chosen in its preamble:

1) We the People (who is WE the people?)
2) ...more perfect Union (what is the meaning of “perfect” and what is a “perfect Union”?)
3) ...establish Justice (what kind of “Justice” does the preamble suggest?)
4) ...insure domestic Tranquility (what is the meaning of “Tranquility” used here, and how does the Constitution insure that kind of Tranquility domestically?)
5) ... provide for the common defense (what does “common” mean when used here, in defense of what, from what, to protect what?)
6) ... promote the general Welfare (what is the meaning of “general Welfare”, what does it mean to be of the “general” kind?)
7) ... secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves (and what are these Blessings, does Liberty have a defined list of blessings?)
8) ... and our Prosperity (what is “our” prosperity, what does “Prosperity” specifically mean here in its use and how is that secured by the Blessings of Liberty?)

I could point out many references/uses of language/words within the US Constitution and it amendments of which their meaning was implicitly deliberate and very much assumed by its authors having been argued extensively during the Constitution Convention debates of 1787. There was no argument between the delegates in the language of what they said, scribed and approved!

Are you suggesting that our founding fathers were scribing our most sacred laws with loose language, vague words and meaningless drivel? Perhaps you require the US Constitution explain every noun, verb, adjective or use of punctuation by including a glossary attached to it? Surely our founding fathers could not have imagined how DUMBED down the electorate and our elected guardians of our Liberty & Constitution would become, in 200 years, as to completely loose the absolute inherent meaning and explicit intent of its language. Our founding fathers and the people of the United States were excited with PASION, RESOLVE and above all MEANING with every stroke of the delegate’s pen... every word debated, argued and committed to our most timeless and sacred document of laws for the ages. To be guarded and respected by future generations who will come to know, understand and protect its chosen words and respect its supremacy that forged a “More Perfect Union” governed by Laws, not men!

Does every word chosen that is used in the Constitution fall prey to semantic games and being re-defined because we can’t find a clear source definition of “Natural Born Citizen” that John Jay, Adam Smith and George Washington understood explicitly when they themselves emboldened to the qualifications of “President”?

Yeah, let’s argue EVERY word, phrase and construct within every article, paragraph, SS and amendment of the US Constitution and render it void! That’s exactly what the rogue courts; progressives and Liberal Marxist scum do EVERY SINGLE DAY! Now that the Marxist progressive scum have completely voided the NSB requirement for POTUS by installing a fraud as our President... they’re not going to stop there... not until the entire US Constitution is rendered irrelevant!

Who in-the-hell are YOU! Some smart-a$$ clown trying to play with words of which you have NO IDEA their original intent or meaning that was understood with unambiguous unequivocal understanding by our founding fathers?!? Are you questioning their intent, their resolve, or their wisdom in choosing to include “Natural Born Citizen” as a qualification to be President?!?

So... are you that dumb, just playing semantics, trying hard to be a smart-a$$ or just clinging to your denial that the “Birthers”, as you call them, are in-fact correct? Read the debates of 1787 and get lost TROLL!

70 posted on 08/30/2013 3:45:53 PM PDT by Bellagio
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To: chrisnj
Unfortunately the Constitution did not clearly define it, but the founders based it on Vattel’s Law of Nations

No. They did not "clearly" do so. Some Founders speak approvingly of his work, but that is not the same thing.

Vattel also wrote that only elites should own arms. How seriously do you think the Founders took that advice?
74 posted on 08/31/2013 12:37:14 AM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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