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To: djone
Oh, bullcrap. One does not have to be an Alinskyite to ridicule Obama and Biden. They're BEGGING to be made fun of. Obama's sanctimony coupled with his incompetence is a huge target, even if most Hollywood comedians fail to acknowledge it. Biden? Where do I start? It doesn't take the influence of a radical communist to do that.

Making them live up to their own rules? Please. Pointing out Obama's broken campaign promises is not what Alinsky taught. A better example would be making them live up to their own impossible standards of political correctness, or accusing them of using racist 'dog whistles,' or pointing out their excessive use of energy despite their claims of how 'green' they are (Eastwood did this to Obama Thursday night).

The left does this to the right when they discover Republicans performing homosexual toe-tapping in men's rooms, or having extramarital affairs, or accuse them of paying for abortions. Broken campaign promises don't have quite the same sting as accusations of hypocrisy committed against one's own declared moral belief system. That's what Alinsky meant by making your opponent live up to his own rules. 'Hoisting by one's own petard,' as it were.

Regarding Rule 11: If you follow Alinksy, you don't attack and then offer the constructive alternative yourself. The Alinskyite tactic is to make the opponent (or 'enemy' if you're Obama) offer the constructive alternative when he attacks you - e.g. "You're right. I don't know how to solve this problem. What is your plan?" You would have to be fairly confident that your opponent doesn't have that plan. One could say that Romney was actually countering the Alinskyite tactic before it was employed.

As for pick the target, polarize, freeze ..., well, Romney is running against Obama and his failed presidency. It doesn't take a radical Alinskyite to identify that particular target. But Alinsky was talking about putting a face to a faceless target on a more local level. If you want to fight City Hall, which is a faceless, inhuman entity, you can't do that as effectively as if you pick a person as a scapegoat and gin up hatred among the masses against him, a la Snowball in Animal Farm, or Emmanuel Goldstein in 1984.

A little ridicule from Clint Eastwood does not an Alinskyite campaign make. I seriously doubt Romney's campaign is going to sink to the level of an Alinsky operation.

14 posted on 09/01/2012 8:06:48 PM PDT by GenXFreedomFighter (Breitbart was right: If you don't vote for the Republican nominee , you are on the other side.)
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To: GenXFreedomFighter
Regarding Rule 11: If you follow Alinksy, you don't attack and then offer the constructive alternative yourself. The Alinskyite tactic is to make the opponent (or 'enemy' if you're Obama) offer the constructive alternative when he attacks you - e.g. "You're right. I don't know how to solve this problem. What is your plan?" You would have to be fairly confident that your opponent doesn't have that plan. One could say that Romney was actually countering the Alinskyite tactic before it was employed.

Obama: Romney's 'got to let people know' about Afghanistan plans (politico44 ^ | 9/1/12 | REID J. EPSTEIN)

Funny thing is, all throughout the 2004 scampaign, John Fragging Kerry said that he "had a plan". Never did bother to share it with Congress or the public or the President.

"We have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it!" -Nancy Culture of Corruption Pelosi.

29 posted on 09/02/2012 7:03:44 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Only Obama put a dog on the roof of his mouth. Dogs are friends, not food.)
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