Posted on 01/19/2012 10:21:07 AM PST by Bizhvywt
What a bright, pretty face! To be a governor, I’ll bet she’s smart, too.
I will fight the nomination of ANY candidate who is NOT constitutionally qualified for POTUS. That means if Rubio and or Jindall every try to run I will be out there vocally denouncing their audacity and flagrant disregard for the constitution. Furthermore I will vigorously confront any conservative ignorant enough to support either man.
Either you believe in the the supremacy of the Constitution or you are NOT a conservative. That’s it.
Neither Rubio nor Jindall will ever run for POTUS or Veep. neither man is constitutionally qualified, neither is a Natural Born Citizen.
So don’t worry, Jindall will be staying right where he is. He has no right to seek POTUS or Veep.
Much more important. Who will Newt choose for Attorney General? I am hoping for FRED THOMPSON.
While the idea of Kasich as VP has some merit, I think there are better choices.
We need Kasich as Gov of OH, and he should have just as much influence to win the state for Republicans as gov as he would as VP.
Ditto the Susana Martinez idea, although I like her better than Kasich. I hate the idea of giving up a fairly conservative gov in a fairly Liberal state (NM).
Not Palin, either. Too much perceived baggage, and I like her where she is.
I’m warming to the idea of Allen West, and he said he would do it.
The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term "natural born citizen" would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship by birth or at birth, either by being born in the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship at birth.
I am unaware of a single US Federal court case claiming otherwise. The US Supreme Court has mentioned the qualification in several cases, but has never passed on what it means, and has preferred instead to defer to the state and Federal appellate courts for such interpretation.
The most on-point of these was from the Indiana Court of Appeals, which ruled on both Obama and McCain's ballot eligibility in 2008 (http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/11120903.ebb.pdf). The judges delve deeply into common law, legislative and judicial history bearing on the use of the term "natural born citizen", including the US Supreme Court cases where the term has been applied.
While I like John Kasich,
He brings nothing to the table similar to Joe (the drunk)Biden. Another old white guy.
Marco Rubio would bring in a truck load of Latin voters.
Colonel Allen West would siphon off a bucket load of blacks.
His Wikipedia biography states that Marco Rubio was born in Miami, Florida.
Is that not true?
You stated yourself that the Constitution does not define natural born citizens. If you want to look at legal precedent, look no further than who is sitting in the oval office, untouched by the SCOTUS.
Sorry, I don't get baited into birther arguments any longer. Birthers hold up Orly Taitz as some kind of great American heroine, and I can't go anywhere near that lying, crazy woman.
See #49. Unlike you, I will not be repeating myself.
Fmr US Atty too.I thought she was a tea-partier as well.
About 95% of conservatives disagree with you.
I may disagree with the Supreme Court’s decision wrongly deciding that someone born here is perforce a citizen here, regardless of his parents’ status at the time of birth. But that’s the law of the land until we get a new decision overturning it (or, less likely, an amendment). And under that law, Rubio IS a natural born citizen — and thus eligible.
Even under any new SCOTUS decision that would overturn the current, incorrect approach would not strip anyone of citizenship. It would be entirely prospective in application.
There are several Supreme Court decisions that I think are wrong, but I am not going to let Democrats act upon those decisions while I try to act as though the decisions don’t exist / are not the law of the land.
Perhaps you have some other issue with Rubio that you’re not letting on about?
LOL, birther wailing and conspiracy theories are sometimes amusing, but they will have no impact on who is selected as the VP nominee. None whatsoever.
Pretty sure I will rely on constitutional scholars like Mark Levin who finally had to ban birthers from his show because they’d became so annoying. Fortunately Hannity, Rush, Beck, etc, have mostly done the same thing. Being associated with birther silliness is not good for the GOP or conservatives in general.
Rubio is perfectly qualified to be VP and, while he says he will not accept such an offer, my guess is he will when the time comes. He is such a standout choice for the VP slot that I figure he simply had to say something reasonably definitive to keep the media at bay. Rubio is the obvious selection since he can help win Florida and perhaps cut into the latino vote. Jindal is a pretty good option too. Both will be high on the list and I’d bet on one of them getting the nod.
Kasich could have been good, but he got beaten so badly on the union issue that it will take him some time to recover the clout he lost.
So yeah, Rubio or Jindal are very good, solid likely choices.
Kasich has a 48% disapproval rate right now (39% approval) and 22% disapproval rate with his own party. He’s not getting drafted for anything this year.
I am in Ohio and can tell you that John Kasich, while a capable and hard working man, is TOXIC in Ohio. SB5 divided our state like nothing I have seen in my 19 years as an Ohioan. It absolutely killed republicans on the down ticket. Cincinnati City Clowncil is down to 1 republican after the election.
Kasich’s name should be on the shortest of short lists
No Pogo, that is NOT the law of the land. The 14th Amendment is currently used to state that babies born here are CITIZENS. NOT Natural Born Citizens, and Minor came AFTER the 14th Amendment passed. In fact Virginal Minor tried to USE the 14th Amendment to attempt to push through Women’s suffrage, and on that point brought up citizenship issues. Minor lost her case, because she was born to parents who were citizens and born in the United States therefore she could not even use the 14th Amendment, ebcause she was NTO a 14th Amendment citizen. She was a NAtural Born Citizen and this is why the Supreme Court did not find in her favor. In the process of deciding the case the court DEFINED Natural Born Citizen as part of its jsut ification for denying her case.
Please read the case. Minor v. Happersett 1875. “The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.” Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 168.”
This case is STILL the law of the land. I do not care of 95% of ANY group disagrees with me. This is 100% the CORRECT interpretation. The rest is a matter of educating an ignorant public.
Yawn. I’m an attorney and know the law. A prior commenter laid it out pretty well. If you were really being honest, you’d at least admit that not a single court has ever accepted your position. (Wouldn’t your view have barred at least barred one president, Arthur, from office?) Sure, you may metaphysically be true, but the courts have to accept it.
Because you will not at least deal honestly with the issue (by at least admitting, Yeah, The Courts All Disagree With Me, And None Of Them Would Bar Rubio Or Jindal From VP/Pres), I am done wasting time with you. Goodbye and have a splendid life on birther island, population: You.
Sorry, I missed your other points in my last post...
I have nothing against Rubio other than his support of that hideous new law that makes it legal for the government to indefinitely hold American citizens denying they legal rights. That letter in support he wrote is an abomination.
The 14th Amendment cannot make one a Natural Born Citizen. Only having two parents who are citizens and being born in their country can make you a NBC of ANY nation let alone the USA.
Rubio never was and never can be a Natural Born Citizen. He was born to Cuban parents, Cuba had jurisdiction over his birth, and as such is just like Obama being born under the jurisdiction of Great Britain. No one born under the jurisdiction of another nation can EVER be born an NBC because if they are born under the jurisdiction - the CITIZENSHIP jurisdiction - they cannot be born under the Jurisdiction of the United States. Sorry you don’t like it. But there it is. I will vigorously confront anyone who ever tries to force another unconstitutional POTUS on us again. Including any conservative stupid enough to do it.
I like Rubio pretty well, but that isn’t the issue. The issue is he is NOT a Natural Born Citizen.
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