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David Hume: Will November be a Pyrrhic victory? (Passing ObamaCare was their real goal)
Secular Right ^ | September 24, 2010 | David Hume

Posted on 09/28/2010 9:54:26 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He’s probably accurate. Still, it’s not quite over yet.

But we all knew that the Dems were willing to get creamed this year in exchange for taking over health care and our (remaining) freedoms away.

Unless ObamaCare is killed, November’s gains are a joke, no matter how massive they are. As soon as it gets bad enough, the Dems will campaign with “we can run it right, the Republicans can’t, that’s why things are so bad”. And 55-60% of the population will go for it and asked to be saved by the very people that are drowning them.

I am very sorry, but I believe nothing short of significant (probably violent) civil disobedience will slow this fascist juggernaut. And for all the tough talk here, I don’t see sufficient numbers of people willing to do that.

Most people will conclude that it is better to take the crumbs we will be given than to risk losing our property and lives in a quixotic quest for freedom. Too bad, but that’s the way I see most Americans.


21 posted on 09/28/2010 10:48:51 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there.)
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To: knarf

According to the VA AG, he and his staff could not find a severability clause in the Obamacare law. If what I have read here on FR is true, that means that if ANY portion of the law is ruled unconstitutional, then the entire bill would ultimately be ruled unconstitutional.


22 posted on 09/28/2010 11:00:09 AM PDT by bigredkitty1 (March 5,2010. Rest in peace, sweet boy. I will miss you, Big Red.)
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To: central_va
For me, the 50 state union is unworkable. I'm in MA -- my neighbors want you to be their slave, and they will not rest until that is so.

Secession should be peaceful. One or more states should just start ignoring the federal government. I think the feds will push for invasion and war (like they did last time) and I think there will be fighting.

But it's a continued long slow march to slavery otherwise.

Not to say too much, but my real preference is for individual citizens to meet up with individual politicians and seek redress. "Congressman, I have a Henry Bowman waiting to see you." "Oh. Send him in, Marge."

23 posted on 09/28/2010 11:28:48 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Things will change after the revolution, but not before.)
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To: bigredkitty1
According to the VA AG, he and his staff could not find a severability clause in the Obamacare law. If what I have read here on FR is true, that means that if ANY portion of the law is ruled unconstitutional, then the entire bill would ultimately be ruled unconstitutional.

That is correct.

24 posted on 09/28/2010 11:37:33 AM PDT by kevao
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Don't kid yourselves. The Tea Party may be on a roll, but if you think TRUE conservatism will suddenly take over the upcoming wave of shiny new RINOs heading to a majority congress for the next two years, you're going to be sadly disappointed ... and MAD AS HELL when the libs take it back in 2012.

What's it going to take?

25 posted on 09/28/2010 11:41:33 AM PDT by TruthHound ("He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." --Leonardo da Vinci)
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To: pnh102
so what do you people want?....just give up?...go hide in a cave?....

it is what it is....

I have no doubt that we'll face more and more govt intrusion in our lives...including health care....but the govt is already heavily in healthcare people just don't realize it...

there isn't one thing done in a hospital that the govt does not dictate and that goes for in the clinics and drs offices as well...

"guideline".."protocols"...."pharmacy trials"....etc....

what I want:...tort reform...stop the illegals....cut debt.....constitutional judges from the top to bottom.....

26 posted on 09/28/2010 5:11:12 PM PDT by cherry
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To: pnh102
so what do you people want?....just give up?...go hide in a cave?....

it is what it is....

I have no doubt that we'll face more and more govt intrusion in our lives...including health care....but the govt is already heavily in healthcare people just don't realize it...

there isn't one thing done in a hospital that the govt does not dictate and that goes for in the clinics and drs offices as well...

"guideline".."protocols"...."pharmacy trials"....etc....

what I want:...tort reform...stop the illegals....cut debt.....constitutional judges from the top to bottom.....

27 posted on 09/28/2010 5:11:21 PM PDT by cherry
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well heck, may as well give up.


28 posted on 09/28/2010 5:20:26 PM PDT by dforest
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We'll see what 2012 looks like when 2/3rds of the Senate seats up for re-election are Democrats. Then we'll know if this is generational or not.

If the Tea Party anger is still stoked in 2012, I think it will be possible to repeal Obamacare.

-PJ

29 posted on 09/28/2010 5:24:57 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: pnh102

I disagree and here is why.

Obamacare CANNOT WORK. It’s is a flawed and destructive system. The GOP will be stuck with having to fix a broken system, and here’s the deal -they will HAVE TO REFORM IT AWAY FROM mandate-driven health insurance or the system will stay broken.

- eliminate ALL health insurance mandates
- provide govt subsidies for catastrophic healthcare for those with pre-existing conditions
- create a level-playing field for self-insured and for health savings accounts, with “Universial Savings Accounts”
- post all healthcare prices

oh ... and repeal obamacare and federal exchanges and all the rest.

This will fix the system.
keeping even a scrap of obamacare will keep it broken.


30 posted on 10/02/2010 8:15:26 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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