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Taking Ron Paul Seriously
The Atlantic Online ^ | May 11, 2007 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 05/12/2007 2:23:18 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright

The condescension to and mockery of the sole Republican candidate who seems to care about individual liberty has begun to tick me off. Chris Matthews can be heard groaning "Oh, God," after Paul spoke of the "original intent" of the Founders with respect to the Constitution. And in the YouTube clip below, Rudy Giuliani actually seems to be guffawing after Paul's defense of habeas corpus. I'm glad Paul's supporters are fighting back on the web. He deserves more respect than he has gotten thus far, not least because compared to the pandering of his competitors, Paul actually seems to believe what he says. And what he says has more to do with conservatism than the crap the rest of them are peddling. Here's a clip worth watching again:

(Excerpt) Read more at andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com ...


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To: Allegra
RuPaul? But he's so....80s

1780's? I'll take it.

21 posted on 05/12/2007 2:38:39 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: Austin Willard Wright; All
Since we are quoting Democrat party supporters (Andrew voted for Kerry), here's something I found from the National Jewish Democrats:

Not only did Paul vote against the House Israel Resolution on July 20th, in his speech on the House Floor, he said:

I rise in opposition to this resolution, which I sincerely believe will do more harm than good... It is very clear, reading this resolution objectively, that all the terrorists are on one side and all the victims and the innocents are on the other side. I find this unfair, particularly considering the significantly higher number of civilian casualties among Lebanese civilians. I would rather advocate neutrality rather than picking sides, which is what this resolution does.

Yes, Mr. Paul, the resolution does take sides. It takes the side of peace and freedom over terrorist regimes. That's a problem for you?

This wasn't the first time Paul stood solo on a nay vote for pro-Israel legislation.

In 1997, the Jewish Herald-Voice and the Congressional Quarterly wrote:

Showing a complete disregard for families victimized by the recent terrorist attack in Israel, Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) was the only congressman to oppose an otherwise unanimous resolution to condemn two terrorist bombings. Paul was the lone dissenter when the House of Representatives adopted a resolution to condemn the tragic bombing that killed 13 people and wounded 170 others in Israel.

Additionally, Paul once suggested in a political newsletter that the Israeli government was one of the most "evil lobbying groups in Washington" (Houston Chronicle, 2/23/97).

In a fundraising letter in 1996, Paul wrote: "It's time that Israel stopped running American foreign policy and draining American taxpayers' wallets." When groups protested to the Republican leadership that Paul was being assigned to the international affairs committee, Paul blamed the Israeli government for the loss of his promised seat.

22 posted on 05/12/2007 2:39:30 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative (Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.)
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To: Austin Willard Wright
"root out corruption"

Thank you.

23 posted on 05/12/2007 2:39:59 PM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: nctexan
I amazed at how often some of the "Paulies" sound like they're using Reid/Peolosi talking points.

Amazed? Were you equally amazed when conservatives, such as Hannity and Rush, opposed the Kosovo war when our troops were in harm's way..

24 posted on 05/12/2007 2:40:11 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: MARTIAL MONK
1780's? I'll take it.

I'm not a historian by any stretch of the imagination, but I can't recall any time in the 1780s that the U.S. surrendered to terrorists.

25 posted on 05/12/2007 2:41:51 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Quiet Down Out There!)
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To: Austin Willard Wright
I don’t remember anyone here nitpicking about whether Sullivan was “agenda driven” when he supported the war.

What war? Sullivan went to "this side" after 9/11 and switched to Kerry in early 2004 due to gay marriage. You find the same support for Hitchens on certain issues.

However, I read similar "We Love Ron Paul" articles at Huffington Post, Daily Kos and the DU.

26 posted on 05/12/2007 2:42:06 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: Austin Willard Wright

I have a question for you.

What exactly is Ron Paul’s position on illegal immigration?


27 posted on 05/12/2007 2:42:41 PM PDT by DugwayDuke (A patriot will cast their vote in the manner most likely to deny power to democrats.)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

No surprise from Christ Matthews.


28 posted on 05/12/2007 2:42:53 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: Allegra
I'm not a historian by any stretch of the imagination, but I can't recall any time in the 1780s that the U.S. surrendered to terrorists.

Yes....and? Please translate.

29 posted on 05/12/2007 2:43:13 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: West Coast Conservative; Austin Willard Wright

Ron Paul sided with Jewish and Gentile American taxpayers on that one.


30 posted on 05/12/2007 2:43:49 PM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: DugwayDuke

Ron Paul is against illegal immigration. He takes a very strong position on this.


31 posted on 05/12/2007 2:43:52 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Austin Willard Wright

You know darn good and well what I’m talking about.


32 posted on 05/12/2007 2:44:41 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Quiet Down Out There!)
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To: Allegra

No I don’t. Please shed some light on the matter for the benighted.


33 posted on 05/12/2007 2:45:34 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Moderator: "OK. Dr. Paul, do you want to pardon them?"

Paul: "No. He doesn't need a pardon. But he doesn't need it because he was instrumental in the misinformation that led the Congress and the people to support a war that we didn't need to be in."

Sounds like Paul is saying Libby should spend time in jail for a non-crime he didn't commit. Kind of upside-down, and backwards.

34 posted on 05/12/2007 2:47:01 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("We have met the enemy and he is us." -Pogo)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

The other day in Austin I saw an SUV with two bumper stickers.

Ron Paul 2008

9/11 Was An Inside Job


35 posted on 05/12/2007 2:48:01 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: The_Eaglet

He voted against condemning Hezbollah (the only Republican to do so). Had nothing to do with tax dollars. Do we really want a President who can’t see the difference between our ally Israel and our enemy Hezbollah and Islamic terrorists?

And saying Israel controls our foreign policy smacks of anti-Semitism.


36 posted on 05/12/2007 2:48:11 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative (Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.)
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To: MNJohnnie
People do NOT vote for lunatic fingers whose ONLY answer to every issue is “Do Nothing”. That is why Paul has been getting re-elected by bigger margins to his Congressional seat for 18 years - that is why Willard Romney is a former one-term governor. Paul re-introduced the Sanctity of Life legislation this year - fought against DR-CAFTA - which IMO Bush really could/should have vetoed, and would re-deploy troops to the border states of California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas . Limited federal government and sound money - non-intervention foreign policy, and allowing farmers to plant products that we now can only import (like fools) --- yep, there sure is ALOT to be done.
37 posted on 05/12/2007 2:48:27 PM PDT by malibu2008
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To: Austin Willard Wright
No I don’t. Please shed some light on the matter for the benighted.

You're the one who worships at the altar of Ron Paul.

Why don't you shed some light on his stance on the war?

And none of this politcally correct "end the war" terminology. Say the "s" word. Just say it.

38 posted on 05/12/2007 2:49:10 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Quiet Down Out There!)
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To: Austin Willard Wright; Allegra
I'm not a historian by any stretch of the imagination, but I can't recall any time in the 1780s that the U.S. surrendered to terrorists.

I can't either. Here, try this on for size:

Jefferson Versus the Muslim Pirates (by Christopher Hitchens)
39 posted on 05/12/2007 2:49:21 PM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: Austin Willard Wright; LdSentinal; The_Eaglet; Extremely Extreme Extremist
Pretty impossible to take a candidate seriously who fails to mention anywhere on any of his websites HOW he would do anything. But that right, it not about factual reality, it about who best shamelessly panders to the emotion based political bigotries of the rabidly ignorant. That he is so transparently manipulating you all by simply endlessly regurgitating the same nonsense talking points of your pet pseudo Conservative Talk Show Host Mike Savage.

No, none of that matters! All that matters is you have FAITH that finally your new "god" has finally emerged to save you all from the consequences of your own misspent lives! It not your fault! It the fault of the immigrants, Iraq war, Trade Deals, .....(put your pet cause here)...and the Great "Ron Paul" is here to save you and bring forth the utopia!!!!

Paul seems to have just taken a whole lot of talk radio slogans and mindlessly ignorant sound bites and strung them all together to convince the political fringes that meaningless demagoguery, spewed endlessly by Paul to shamelessly pander to their wholly emotion based political bigotries and drama queen teenage style angst, can some how be mistaken for an agenda that can win an election.

This guy will get even less votes the Pat Buchannan got in 2000. But keep wasting your time, your money and your efforts. Keep getting yourselves all in a lather over this loser. It will just make it that much funnier when political reality comes up and slaps you all silly yet again.

40 posted on 05/12/2007 2:50:24 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.)
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