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Taking Ron Paul Seriously
The Atlantic Online ^ | May 11, 2007 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 05/12/2007 2:23:18 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright

The condescension to and mockery of the sole Republican candidate who seems to care about individual liberty has begun to tick me off. Chris Matthews can be heard groaning "Oh, God," after Paul spoke of the "original intent" of the Founders with respect to the Constitution. And in the YouTube clip below, Rudy Giuliani actually seems to be guffawing after Paul's defense of habeas corpus. I'm glad Paul's supporters are fighting back on the web. He deserves more respect than he has gotten thus far, not least because compared to the pandering of his competitors, Paul actually seems to believe what he says. And what he says has more to do with conservatism than the crap the rest of them are peddling. Here's a clip worth watching again:

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To: Allegra
You know, with a little more effort, you might stop coming off like a complete retarded crybaby.

If you have issues with the Constitution and Ron Paul's stances regarding it, post them. If all you've got is "Ron Paul supporters are cultists"... you aren't worth the time.

141 posted on 05/14/2007 2:45:04 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Dead Corpse
I don't really care how I come off to someone like you.

You jumped in and started being rude and did your hilarious, posturing tough-guy talk.

Then you slung insults like a little kid in a schoolyard when your laughable attmepts a bulling were laughed at.

Grow up and accept that not everybody is always going to agree with you.

In the meantime, any discourse with you or your ilk would be a waste of my valuable time. Buh-bye!

142 posted on 05/14/2007 10:47:35 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Quiet Down Out There!)
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To: everyone

Truly a low-level discussion here. Reminds me of Ron Paul.


143 posted on 05/14/2007 11:38:04 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: California Patriot

Yes this is an astonishingly low-level discussion, thanks to people like you. Ron Paul folks have things called philosophy and principle, not to mention real-world examples, unlike the neo-cons who live in a world with all the validity of Mao and Stalin. Dr. Paul has well thought-out, principled and practical position on virtually everything political. You mindless haters have the standard emotional response to reality that used to define liberals.


144 posted on 05/15/2007 2:29:19 AM PDT by Xurc23
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To: Allegra
I don't really care how I come off to someone like you.

So... you have no real point. You are only here for the name calling. Got it.

145 posted on 05/15/2007 5:13:38 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Xurc23; Dead Corpse
Dr. Paul has well thought-out, principled and practical position on virtually everything political.

Agreed. I appreciate how he uses liberty and constitutional fidelity as his underlying premises.

146 posted on 05/15/2007 5:25:25 AM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: The_Eaglet
I know many right wing conservatives, many whom are white supremacists, who support Paul. After all he did take Hezbullah’s side over Israel.
147 posted on 05/15/2007 3:36:55 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Xurc23

Actually, I was responding to posts shortly before my own, which seemed totally off-topic. It was not an attempt to attack Ron Paul. I’m definitely anti-Ron Paul, though. I’m also anti many of his supporters, like you. Y’all are a very poor advertisement for the libertarian principle. You don’t live in the “real world.” The neocons do, or at any rate, are much, much closer to it.


148 posted on 05/15/2007 3:40:28 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: Xurc23
First off, playing with the term neo-con shows you have already lost the debate. It is a meaningless term with no consensus on what it really means. It is no more than a slur against those of us conservatives who believe in taking the war to the enemy - which would put Winston Churchill in the neo-con camp as well.
149 posted on 05/15/2007 3:51:29 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Sam Gamgee

Can you name one?


150 posted on 05/15/2007 7:47:46 PM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: The_Eaglet

Plenty of those that I have spoken to on sites such as this.

Did you see tonight’s debate. Ron Paul confirmed he is part of the blame America first crowd. The man is finished. Maybe he join for Buchanan’s Arabist party.


151 posted on 05/15/2007 8:26:59 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Sam Gamgee; cva66snipe

I thought Paul did fine. I saw the part where he stood up to Rudy demanding an apology from Ron for citing history.


152 posted on 05/15/2007 8:43:17 PM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Ron Paul is an American hating, muslim appeaser


153 posted on 05/15/2007 10:56:55 PM PDT by B. Chezwick (Death to international Islam)
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To: Sam Gamgee

Maybe Paul and Puchanan will run for office in Gaza under Hamas’s banner. That’s about the only place they could win.


154 posted on 05/15/2007 11:04:22 PM PDT by B. Chezwick (Death to international Islam)
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To: Sam Gamgee

Yeah, I noticed all the cheerleading for Paul over at Stormfront.


155 posted on 05/15/2007 11:11:52 PM PDT by B. Chezwick (Death to international Islam)
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To: The_Eaglet

Citing history? He was excusing the 9/11 attacks.


156 posted on 05/15/2007 11:20:58 PM PDT by B. Chezwick (Death to international Islam)
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To: The_Eaglet
I thought Paul did fine. I saw the part where he stood up to Rudy demanding an apology from Ron for citing history.

It's a shame it got turned away from that point. Hannity's attack later after the debate was disgusting as well. Hannity sure kept his mouth shut and let Rudy speak freely.

157 posted on 05/15/2007 11:22:46 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Kool Aid! The popular American favorite drink now Made In Mexico. Pro-Open Borders? Drink Up!)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

I’m taking Ron Paul about as seriously as I take Andrew Sullivan these days. LOL


158 posted on 05/15/2007 11:23:30 PM PDT by Kryptonite (Keep Democrats Out of Power!)
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To: cva66snipe; OrthodoxPresbyterian
Hannity's attack later after the debate was disgusting as well. Hannity sure kept his mouth shut and let Rudy speak freely.

I saw that. Hannity certainly was not a kind host to Paul.

159 posted on 05/16/2007 11:49:26 AM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: B. Chezwick

why are you reading “Stormfront”?


160 posted on 05/16/2007 2:28:42 PM PDT by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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