Posted on 01/28/2007 2:42:18 PM PST by PhiKapMom
Maybe we should start calling you all "the Appeasables." You'll compromise any part of what it means to be conservative.
Then the label has no meaning left.
Agreed. In fact I feel that way about most of the people who supported Keyes who was sternly disapproving of anyone who did not fit his idea of proper.
Can you name me one thing liberal that Rudy is "sternly disapproving of"?
Not really. Aren't you proud to be an unappeaseable? Can you be that honest? Aren't you proud that you have never budged on an issue?
I keep saying it and I think you will end up there. You have left the GOP once already. Maybe you want to make a dramatic exit. But I honestly feel you would be happier - in the Constitution Party. You are truly unappeaseable. And the GOP isn't going to pander to you. There are lots of different kinds of republicans. Is that what you really want - to always be miserable - because you didn't get your way?
I'm sure you have it on the tip of your tongue. Let's hear it.
You are dead wrong. She is right about Utah and the same thing happened in OK. And other states have the same problem. We lost all but one statewide race this time. They reelected a pro-abortion trial attorney to be Governor and a pro-abortion Lt Governor.
The voters are afraid of what the religious right are going to do if they get more power. They have done a louzy job of governing so far in OK. The former speaker who ran for Lt Gov got beat by a pro-abortion woman and I mean very pro-abortion. In the last legislature while our State was burning, one of our Reps was debating where to put gay library books in the OKC library and the chiefs of rural firefighters were without equipment or resources and were in the balcony waiting for an emergency vote. They never did get it that day. We had people lose lives in the fires that ravaged the state but our legislature was sticking their nose in a local community problem.
Just wait until OK blows up in our Republican faces. We are about to get clobbered a second time. Some of the religious folks who got elected to office are not the most ethical. It is going to be bad here in the next few days if someone doesn't talk some sense into the Republican Caucus and if they expel one of their members because he DIDN'T vote for the Republican Speaker. That doesn't even include the slush funds between PACs. They wear religion on their sleeve and it is hurting the Party really bad with voters and pro-abortion people now run the state except for 3 Corp Commisioners.
We could lose our Senate race and Jim Inhofe if we are not careful here. People in OK are sick and tired of what they have been seeing out of our elected Republicans. My incumbent rep lost this time because he was too far right for my district. As one Democrat who has voted for a Republican in every election since LBJ told me, the holier than thou crowd as turned him off for good in OK and he hates Hillary but would vote for her over a religious right person any day. That's what the attitude of the group has done in OK with their arrogance and one reason I am so disgusted.
If things go badly tomorrow and this week, we are in big trouble here.
Well you call me all kinds of names now :-)
We need an optimist - a happy person - who believes in us and in this country. Someone who can begin to unite us again - as Americans. Someone who has a vision that can imspire us to be better people - not someone who hates us and wants to shame us.
I don't see Rudy PUSHING a social agenda one way or the other frankly.
So, you want to surrender to the left then, because they're winning? You want to destroy the people who stand against them? You're not making sense.
This is serious! Here is the article and on top of that we have some very social conservative legislators who have also not been ethical. I will send a Freep Mail with details and maybe you will realize where I am coming from. Here is the article from the Tulsa World:
House GOP might boot member
By MICK HINTON World Capitol Bureau
1/26/2007
The Oklahoma City legislator did not vote for the speaker, his latest challenge to the leadership, and could be ousted from the caucus as a result.
OKLAHOMA CITY -- A maverick Oklahoma City lawmaker could be kicked out of the House Republican caucus, several GOP lawmakers have confirmed.
Possible action by the caucus comes after Rep. Mike Reynolds declined to vote for Speaker Lance Cargill earlier this month on the House floor.
When asked for his vote, Reynolds said only "Present."
Reynolds said Thursday, "The oath of office I took required me to vote my conviction, and that is what I did."
A Republican caucus rule states that a member who does not vote for the speaker in the public roll call of the full House "may be expelled from the caucus by a majority vote of the members of the caucus."
More than 40 of the 57 Republicans in the House have signed a letter calling for a closed caucus to discuss ousting Reynolds, several GOP lawmakers said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.
Rep. Rob Johnson, the House majority whip, said he would not talk about "caucus matters."
Johnson, R-Kingfisher, said the rules state that anyone who fails to vote for the speaker may be removed from the caucus.
"I think we should follow our caucus rules, and we should support the caucus' choice for speaker," he said.
Reynolds often has been at odds with the Republican leadership.
He ran against Cargill in November, when members voted in their caucus on the speaker.
Reynolds also is noted for questioning campaign contributions, pushing for consultants to be listed by name in reports to the state Ethics Commission.
Although Cargill did not have viable opposition in his House race last fall, he spent more than $250,000.
Cargill's reports to the commission show that he hired consultants but provide no details.
Asked whether he was targeting Cargill, Reynolds said: "I look at everybody's records. Everyone knows I have a spreadsheet on them."
Reynolds said he was not aware of a letter being circulated among other Republicans, adding that no one had talked to him about one.
Cargill would not discuss whether Reynolds' vote had caused concern among GOP House members.
The Republican caucus is scheduled to meet Monday, although lawmakers said the Reynolds case was not on the agenda yet.
Rep. John Wright, R-Tulsa, who leads the caucus, said: "What happens in the caucus stays in the caucus."
Rep. Danny Morgan, the head of the minority House Democrats, said his party's House caucus does not have a rule permitting expulsion of a member.
"This speaks to the leadership style of the new speaker, Lance Cargill," said Morgan, D-Prague. "What it tells me is they require everybody to be in lock step."
Mick Hinton (405) 528-2465
mick.hinton@tulsaworld.com
I agree with PhiKapMom - social issues belong in the states. I look forward to hearing Rudy detail his stances. I hope he does it soon(s). I look forward to him telling us what he would like his candidacy and presidency (if he wins) to be about.
I am not supporting anyone yet. I want to see how the candidates perform and what their stands are and how they debate etc.
I just find it appalling that these Rudy haters come on the Rudy threads with nothing really to say - they just come to bash and to trash and to spread their hatred.
I admire people who work for something. People who believe in their candidate and are enthused about him or her and want to persuade others.
If you think 'unappeasability' towards destructive liberal policies is a bad thing, you're the one that is far out of the mainstream among the Republicans I know.
Appeasement equals surrender, and you preach it either because you're addleminded, or because you're a liberal yourself. The evidence leans heavily toward the latter.
As I told EV the other night, I will work for whoever the party nominates. Rudy does have an uphill battle and it is early. And the early leader seldom makes it to the finish line.
Right now I support Rudy.
You like being an unappeaseable then, don't you :-)
Good for you. I love his smile(s).
I think I'm turning in now. I hope you get some sleep. See you on another thread soon, I'm sure(s)
You're disgusting. You are the name caller.
You are out of the mainstream. You are very similar to Keyes in my book. Ask yourself is Keyes is mainstream? There is a REASON Keyes loses in landslides. No one likes him .. not even in the GOP. He and you are radicals that harm the party.
Maybe you should consider leaving the party.
None of that adds anything to this discussion. First of all, from your post, there is nothing to indicate why he voted the way he did. There is not enough background in the story to accurately judge what's going on.
But, whatever it is, what does it have to do with the nasty attacks you all have been launching on anyone who doesn't want a liberal like Giuliani leading the conservative GOP?
You seem to have some secret knowledge of the situation with this rogue legislator, and whatever it is, it seems to be causing you to lash out at conservatives. Kinda strange.
You have it in Freep Mail. I cannot post it openly and you will see what has happened here.
I am fighting for my Senator and for the Republican Party here in OK along with some others.
When you read the rest you will understand why we lost on OK because the Dems have had this info and passed around. We look like fools here.
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