Second-hand Smoke is Harmful to Science

Scripps Howard News Service/www.fumento.com ^ | 11 SEPT 03 | Michael Fumento

[DManA]

I wonder if 10 snowmobiles in Yellowstone's 2.5 million acres constitutes a tiny dose or should the employees keep wearing their gas masks?

[Wolfie]

Smokers face an uphill battle on this. The government has 60 odd years of practice in lying about drugs to apply to tobacco. Good luck.

[CIB-173RDABN]

I blame the tobaco industry for this mess. They have/had a lot of money, and when the government first begin their attack, they should have counter attacked. But no, they meekly conceded when their product was banned from advertising on television, and they have been conceding every since.

I don't smoke, never had, never will. But I see this fight as more then the governments desire to save us from ourself.

From the first laws against smoking, we have gained mandatory seat belts, to helmets for children on bikes and men on motorcycles. None of which is the governments business, yet by giving in to these baby steps of taking away decisions that should be ours alone, the government is slowly taking over our lifes.

[historian1944]

People go completely insane when I walk into a building with my pipe unlit but in my mouth.

I'm also offended when a restaurant tells me that I need to put my pipe out when they allow cigarette smoking. I can understand cigar smoke, but pipe smoke is generally pleasant.

[Great Dane]

Sending this to my minister of health.... :-}

[RippleFire]

bump

[Publius6961]

BUMP

[wjcsux]

This is bad! It contradicts the wisdom of the all knowing Nammy State that wants to take care of us.

[Just another Joe]

Seeing all the stuff lately on smoking, I thought I would post this.

All the stuff on smoking? LOL

You must have missed 2 to 3 years ago.
There were twice daily battles of, almost, epic proportions.

[CSM]

I see you are trying to recruit CSW to our side. I wonder if that is a long lost relative of mine!

[Tucson]

In the whole, you are absolutely correct. In its infancy, however, the rationale (or, cover story) for helmets and seatbelts, etc. was not really to save lives but to save money. Whose money? The taxpayers. If every person suffering a head injury from a non-seatbelted accident or spill from a motorcycle died, there'd be no problem. However, many are inconsiderate of their fellow taxpayers and simply become sufficiently and permanently incapacitated and require, ultimately, government (taxpayer) supported healthcare. Therefore, if government has to pay the price tag, they reason, government gets to set the rules to minimize that price tag.

Interesting to this study, Walter Williams has been using this example for years. In addressing false science, he has periodically stated that in order to get a "statistically significant" association between second hand smoke and health risk, the "researchers" ultimately had to set the margin of error so high, it rendered the results meaningless. Except, they never reported the methodology used to get the numbers.

[cmak9]

Good to see proven what I've known all along: Militant anti-smokers are just control freaks - nothing more, nothing less.

[SheLion]

Thanks for the ping, Gabz. I have to read this in a few.

[Conspiracy Guy]

I have seen no mention of the latest second hand smoke threat, the drive by smoking. In many areas of the country this horrendous crime is on the upswing. A perfectly healthy smoke gnatzie (5'4" 275 lb) is standing on a street corner. Suddenly a car stops with the windows down and smokers inside waiting for the light to change. While this is happening the smoke gnatzie is exposed to huge amounts of second hand smoke. The light changes and the criminals drive away. Who can the smoke gnatzie sue for damages? In most cities these crimes are committed by smoke gangs, "The Menthols, The Non-Menthols, The Filters, The Non-Filters, The Regulars, and The Kings. Something must be done and soon. If not for us all, for the children.

[Just another Joe]

In most cities these crimes are committed by smoke gangs, "The Menthols, The Non-Menthols, The Filters, The Non-Filters, The Regulars, and The Kings.

Don't forget the most formidable gang, "The Stuffers". ;^)

[Conspiracy Guy]

I did't want to bring them and the Holy Rollers up?

I just wrote the smoke gnatzie poem for free use by property rights freepers.

Smoke Gnatzies

They buzz around your head until,
You think it will explode.
You’d like to catch them all and flush,
They’d swirl down the commode.
They agitate, they irritate,
They just won’t go away.
They want to tell you how to live,
To all of them I say.
Be gone you pest, just fly away,
My freedom you won’t take.
If not for all the buzzing,
I’d swear you were a snake.
But snakes are bad, and you’re just sad,
So go and bug some cat.
Cause if you don’t get out of here,
There’s gonna be a splat.

Flurry 9/16/3

[Gabz]

Except, they never reported the methodology used to get the numbers.

In part you are correct.

The methodology was reported, but the major media either put it on the back side of page 54D or they got so many quotes from som many antis that the real "fact" was finally down at the bottom of paragraph 35 and generally never read.

[Hot Tabasco]

Nammy State

Nammy, how I love ya, how I love ...;.oops, sorry thats supposed to be mammy

[Mears]

You are very clever,Flurry!!

You have a smoker's sense of humor,thank God.

[Conspiracy Guy]

Thank you and I thank God everyday for giving me my twisted mind. It is a blessing.