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To: DPB101
I read your Willi Munzenberg nonsense.

1)It has nothing to do with the thread
2)The Nazis had similar anti-intellectual sentiments
3)You can't seriously believe intellectuals are dumber than the general public
4)Many others besides intellectuals were enamoured of despots; Father Coughlin and his followers, British aristocrats, Charles Lindberg, Winston Churchill (before '37), Neville Chamberlain, most of the Republican isolationists...the list is very long

34 posted on 06/15/2003 1:31:38 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry; I_Love_My_Husband; MEG33; aculeus; Bonaparte; aristeides; dix; Grampa Dave; ...
I read your Willi Munzenberg nonsense.

Nonsense? It is a review of the book Double Lives: Spies and Writers in the Secret Soviet War of Ideas Against the West, by Stephen Koch. With whom do you disagree? Koch or the reviewer, Mark Y. Herring?

Herring also reviewedStalin's apologist : Walter Duranty, the New York Times man in Moscow, by S.J. Taylor. I thought that book quite good. Is there something about Herring or these two books I should know but don't?

My reply was on topic. The Rosenbergs were not alone. There was an entire nest of traitors which worked for the Soviet Union from 1920 until the end of the Cold War.

The U.S. Senate has confirmed this to be true.

REPORT OF THE COMMISSION ON PROTECTING AND REDUCING GOVERNMENT SECRECY (1997). Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Chairman:

(John) Reed was a Soviet agent. On January 22, 1920, he received from the Comintern gold, jewels, and other valuables worth 1,008,000 rubles for Party work in the United States. (Note: over $1 million US)The United States Government did not know this. It has only just been discovered in Soviet archives . . .

For the next seven decades the United States Government would be the object of a sustained Soviet campaign of infiltration and subversion. There would be, as with Great Britain, a measure of success among elites, but in the pattern now already seen, an ethnic factor would be the most prominent.

In the beginning, most American Communists would be Russians. The Communist Party of the United States of America (CPUSA) was organized at Moscow’s behest in 1921, merging Reed’s Communist Labor Party with the Communist Party of America, organized by a former socialist, Midwesterner Charles Emil Ruthenberg. The membership was not large and was overwhelmingly foreign-born . . .more

The "everybody does it" excuse doesn't work. All those you claim on the right who defended despots ended up fighting both communism and fascism. They same isn't true on the left. Many on the left defended Hitler when he was allied with Stalin and only became pro-war after the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union. There are literally hundreds of prominent left wingers one can name who aided and abetted the Soviet Union and other communist regimes. Look at Robert Scheer today. A man who thought Kim Il Sung was a hero of the people now is a national columnist.Tom Wicker saw no moral difference, he said, between Pol Pot and Lon Nol. Noam Chomsky, a denyer of the Cambodian Holocaust, gets crowd wherever he goes. Ed Anser and Mike Farrell, supporters of Soviet client states in Central America, are icons of the left. Barbara Lee, who sat on a committee created by the Communist Party USA, is a member of congress.
38 posted on 06/15/2003 2:19:56 PM PDT by DPB101 ("Smearing good people like Alger Hiss and Lauchlin Currie is . . .unforgivable"---Eleanor Roosevelt)
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To: liberallarry
3)You can't seriously believe intellectuals are dumber than the general public...

IQ has nothing to do with character or the ability to contribute to political thought. Look at Noam Chomsky.

76 posted on 06/15/2003 6:15:36 PM PDT by js1138
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To: liberallarry
You can't seriously believe intellectuals are dumber than the general public.

I do. Much of the general public has better sense, ethically and philosophically, than "intellectuals." They are just not as well read.

266 posted on 06/17/2003 9:40:08 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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