Mammoth Herds 'Roamed Fertile Bering Strait In Ice Age'

Ananova ^ | 6-5-2003

[blam]

Up your way.

[RightWhale]

I have seen their bones. The place is littered with them. The elephants were big in those days, but the horses were small. There were sabretooth tigers here, too: we have bones and hides uncovered by goldmining. There were muskox then, and still are, curious creatures. 24,000 years isn't much these days, as you no doubt know.

[Skyleader]

Where did the French poodles roam during the so-called ice age?

[djf]

Doesn't make sense. Glaciers as far south as central Ohio, all of Alberta and Saskatchewan buried under 2 miles of ice, and these big, waving fields of grasslands in the Bering Strait, what 15 degrees farther north? There's something they ain't telling us.

[Coroner]

>Arctic tundra which can support very few mammals<
Thats not true cuz the DemoRATS told me so!! Why there is all kinds of critters there like,opossums, zebras, camels, aardvarks, pangolins, cookoo birds, galapagos tortoises, Do Do birds, colorful parrots, chimpanzees...etc...etc... thats why there's to be no drilling in Anwar!!!

[Little Bill]

Kinda make me think that there was "something different" about the Ice Ages.

[joesnuffy]

sounds like Al Bundy's shoe store
at a two for one sale

[the-ironically-named-proverbs2]

Have you read Earth in Upheaval by Velikovsky?

[Michael.SF.]

There's something they ain't telling us.

The time line. Look at a time line. These events did not occur simultaneously.

I was once at that Dome near Tucson, where those environmentalist nut jobs locked themselves in for a year or so. As I was looking at the museum, there was a display which showed the earth temperature over a period of time going back tens of thousands of years (tree rings and Glacial ice core studies help to estimate the temperatures).

The entire curve was almost sinusodial in its pattern, with the mid point being taken as zero, the peaks were +3 F and the valleys were -3 F. Thus a swing of average temperature of 6 degrees determined warm periods from glacial periods.

As I was observing this with my wife, and two women in birkenstocks were standing next to us, I commented: "So the earth has had a period of temperature fluctuations for thousands of years. How can we be sure now that this period is one of global warming and not simply a continuation of the historical patterns?"

The two turned and looked at me, puzzled at such a question, then quickly walked away.

I was labled as a "non believer." I love to piss off the left with reasonable questions.

[blam]

"Kinda make me think that there was "something different" about the Ice Ages."

Does make one wonder, especially the Peri Rees(sp) map showing the land mass of the Anartica before modern times.

[RightWhale]

Piri Re'is was Admiral of the Turkish fleet. As such, he had the best navigational charts, and not just near Turkey. The Turkish Navy went far, wide and strong.

[ricpic]

French poodles do not, according to the most thorough scientific research, pre-date the great age of boudoirs: over or under-heated.

[Ten Megaton Solution]

Sure. Velikovsky is hilarious. Spent a lot of time in that book railing against the then new theory of Continental Drift. It's no longer a theory, of course, but established empirically observed fact.

I found his tales of bouncing planets fascinating and amusing. It's totally against the laws of celestial mechanics, but a good fantasy writer never lets reality intrude on his creation.

[Black Agnes]

Food of the ancestors ping.

[Little Bill]

Piri Re'is Map...

No, I was thinking more about the Amur valley and Northern Siberia being a lot warmer during the Ice Ages than it is now, present temp on the level of the Ninth Bolga of Hell.

The Gulag Archipeligo mentions that prisioners working in a mine in Northern Siberia struck an "Ice Lens" full of frozen fish, which they ate with no harm to themselves. This and the frozen mammoth thing started me thinking that there was more to the Ice Ages than people are willing to admit.

[Ten Megaton Solution]

The Piri Reis Map
Thereafter, the Piri Reis Map drifts into the Twilight Zone. It shows South America swinging far to the east. Given that the map so far has done fairly well in latitude, we can be sure the coastline is not Antarctica. Also, if the map draws on ancient knowledge to show things no 16th century explorer would have known, why is the coastline continuous? So why isn't there open water between South America and "Antarctica?" You can't seize on an accidental resemblance to a couple of bumps on the coast of Antarctica and blithely ignore the failure to show the Drake Passage!

And...where's Greenland? And what are those islands off the coast of S. America?

[blam]

"This and the frozen mammoth thing started me thinking that there was more to the Ice Ages than people are willing to admit."

OI don't think 'they' know any more than has already been published. I don't think anyone is keeping a secret.

[Little Bill]

Come on blam cut me some slack, you are becoming a Lyellist(sp).

If you look at the progression of man and the ecosphere that gave us the present distribution of Mankind, it wouldn't have happened on a close reading of modern text books. We would still be swinging from trees on the African savanna.

The Ice Ages Happened, Elephants graised on the Barents Sea, you can buy mastidon meat in San Francisco, roasted or for Kabobs. If you look at the distribution of Ice in the Northern hemisphere there could be no Ice Free zone to let the horses out, they would be frozen in Northern Sibera.

Why was Sibera so warm, flowers in the mouth of flash frozen Mastidon and Mass under a couple of hundred feet of Ice?