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To: tdadams
I'm not gay and have no intention of participating in a gay marriage, so I really don't have a place to speak on the matter.

Of course not - which is why you have posted so much on the topic here. Stop apologizing for what you think.

I'm completely indifferent on the matter personally. However, if two people of the same sex decide they want to live together as a couple for the rest of their lives, how does the government (i.e. the people) have any standing to abridge their freedom of association and say, "No, you may not be married"?

You've got that backwards, Jack. I talked to you once about thinking before you post. If there is no religious marriage and it's only civil then people can only be married when the government says they may. It's called a marriage license and you have to apply and qualify because you get one. If they want to shack up, that's one thing. But if they want to get married they have to fulfill the qualifications. And a man and a man, or a woman and a woman, don't until we make a change. You have yet to make a case for that change except that you don't see why not. And you've already admitted to your lack of imagination.

I think that steps over the bounds of what the collective society can impose on individuals. Besides, how does their "marriage" harm me?

Because it degrades what it means to be married. Not alone, mind you. Other things have done so as well. And our society is founded on stable families, not on women who divorce their husbands because they want to turn lesbian (as Gephardt's daughter did). If we can't keep committments to our spouses we can't keep our committments to our society and it erodes. It has happened every time this experiment has been tried and we Americans are no different.

And further, I think it's a bit of a disingenuous catch 22 for hardline conservative to always be denigrating gays for alleged promiscuity, but at the same time fight to deny them the vehicle to enter into a long term monogamous relationship.

And I think it's diseingenuous for you to suggest that the only way to people can be monagomous is to be married. Gays aren't promiscuous because they can't be married. They're promiscuous because they're gay.

Get a grip.

Shalom.

349 posted on 06/11/2003 2:29:59 PM PDT by ArGee (I did not come through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a serving-man... - Gandalf)
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To: ArGee
Of course not - which is why you have posted so much on the topic here.

Don't look now, ArGee, but you probably post more on this topic than I do. Careful with your insinuations, lest they point at you.

Stop apologizing for what you think.

I'm sorry if I said something that gave you the impression that I made my stand apologetically. I do not.

I talked to you once about thinking before you post.

If it gives you some contrived feeling of superiority to tell me this, knock yourself out, but I assure you my statements are at least as well thought out as yours, if not more so. You really make yourself look petty by condescending like that.

352 posted on 06/11/2003 2:52:38 PM PDT by tdadams
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