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Forget WMDs - they're not the real reason we went to war
scotlandonsunday.com ^ | Sun 18 May 2003 | Brian McNair

Posted on 05/18/2003 9:25:12 AM PDT by kaylar

THE sound of chickens coming home to roost fills the air, as the government seeks to counter accusations that the failure thus far to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq negates the legitimacy of the war it has just fought there.

Despite the fact that many of those making the loudest noises in this regard would not have supported war on any grounds short of Saddam Hussein setting off a nuke in central London, and could probably have been sidelined by a government still basking in the warm glow of victory, senior ministers went on the propaganda offensive last week, only to emerge from several media encounters looking both patronising and ill-briefed.

On Thursday’s Today programme, John Reid insulted the nation’s intelligence by citing the precedent of the missing millions from the Great Train Robbery. The money was never found, but the crime still happened, he pointed out, and Ronnie Biggs was still guilty as hell. Reid also stressed the difficulty of finding anything, be it a dictator on the run or a chemical weapons dump, in a country the size of France. Look at Northern Ireland, he suggested, where IRA weapons caches had eluded detection for nigh on 30 years. They hadn’t, actually - as was quickly pointed out in the press coverage which followed Reid’s lazy, arrogant performance.

Such clutching at straws reflects the difficulty the government now finds itself in, having alleged the existence in Iraq of chemical and biological weapons, primed for action within 45 minutes according to the Prime Minister himself, as a key plank in its case for war. As invasion approached, Tony Blair recognised the fragility of the WMD case and put more emphasis on the moral arguments against Saddam (his penchant for genocide by poison gas, beheading women, ripping out tongues - that sort of thing).

The coming conflict would be a war of liberation, and not merely a police operation to punish a rogue state in breach of its disarmament obligations. But in hanging so much of its credibility on the alarming threat posed by Saddam’s chemical, biological and perhaps even nuclear weapons, the government left a hostage to fortune behind when it went boldly to war.

Now, weapons of mass destruction may yet be found in Iraq. No one doubts that they were a feature of Saddam’s rule, as was their use against Iranian troops, Kurdish rebels and Iraqi civilians at various times. And it wouldn’t be that difficult to hide a few thousand litres of this or that, even some delivery systems, in a country which is, as they keep telling us, as big as France (although we’re now also being told it’s as big as California, which sounds even more daunting).

But if in the end no weapons are found, does it undermine the case for war?

Only if you believe the official line that their existence was the main reason why war happened. A few weeks before the conflict began, I argued in this space that neither the elimination of weapons of mass destruction nor the defence of human rights, while worthwhile aims, were sufficiently urgent in themselves to explain Operation Iraqi Freedom. By continuing to insist that they were, Blair and his ministers had left a gaping hole at the heart of the pro-war argument, and the millions who marched against it were filling that vacuum with some very reasonable objections.

If WMDs were all it was about, why on earth not give the inspectors more time before plunging the Middle East, and maybe the world, into chaos? We weren’t proposing to invade North Korea, after all, which had a much more developed WMD capability than Iraq, and an even more bonkers regime threatening to use them.

WMDs, of course, were never what it was about, not really. Saddam’s crimes, and his reluctance to meet the terms of his surrender in 1991, provided ample justification for war, but hardly explained its timing, and the willingness of Bush and Blair to ride roughshod over the opposition of allies such as France and Russia.

To make sense of that, you had to start from the horror of September 11. After this era-defining event, the removal of Saddam had become a pressing strategic necessity in the wider war on Islamic fundamentalist terrorism, which yesterday claimed dozens more innocent lives in Casablanca. Tolerated for 12 years after the end of the first Gulf conflict, with only sanctions and the occasional bombing mission to remind him that he was still an international pariah, Saddam’s removal had become expedient, as well as legitimate.

In a post-September 11 environment, the West needs to lessen its dependence on Saudi oil, and on the corrupt and deeply unpopular Saudi rulers. If post-Saddam Iraq could act as a beacon for human rights and democratic government in the Middle East, so much the better. But that would be a bonus next to the main prize - the establishment of a strategic bridgehead in the fight against al-Qaeda.

The importance of that bridgehead is already evident. Last week’s bombs in Riyadh signal a major escalation of al-Qaeda’s war, not only against America and Britain, but against the House of Saud itself. The country which gave birth to Osama bin Laden and 15 of the September 11 hi-jackers, and which remains a key source of financial and political support for Islamic terrorism throughout the world, is now the target of that terrorism.

Saudi Arabia, with its super-rich elite and its increasingly agitated ‘Arab street’ demanding a greater share of the oil spoils, could well fall to a Taliban-style regime in the future, at which point the value of a pro-Western Iraq (or an Iraq, at least, which is less anti-West than Saddam’s) will become all too clear.

Having failed to outline this strategic logic from the start, however, the mysterious case of the missing weapons continues to present a problem for the government. Jack Straw sought to draw a line under the issue by suggesting in a BBC interview that the discovery of WMDs was "not crucially important" next to the authority given by Resolution 1441 for intervention. Blair has pointed to the discovery of the graves of thousands of Saddam’s victims as proof that this was indeed a just war. And there are myriad other reasons why, despite the anarchy and chaos of the immediate post-conflict period, the Iraqi people are much better off now than they were before the fall of Saddam’s regime.

But events in Riyadh and Casablanca bring the bigger picture into renewed focus. Al-Qaeda is a real threat, even if Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction weren’t. The sooner our government makes explicit the connection between what has happened in Iraq and what might happen down the road in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere, the better.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bushdoctrineunfold; iraq; iraqifreedom; warlist; whywefight; wmd
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To: FairOpinion
Yes but WMD was emphasized first and foremost. It is becoming more apparent that Bush deceived the American people to win support for the war as Clinton deceived them with claims of genocide in Kosovo. No surprise there. Lies are the mothers milk of politicians. Why should Dubya be any different?

It is interesing that freepers rationalize the lies of the one but condemn the lies of the other.

41 posted on 05/18/2003 10:55:34 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Drew68
Ex post facto rationalizations are a sight to behold! WMD was always the main, and all determining pro-war counterargument on FR. It seems that freepers will now go to any lengths before they will admit this. Human nature I guess.
42 posted on 05/18/2003 10:58:46 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Austin Willard Wright
How can you say that Bush deceived the American people, when in fact WMD WAS ONE of the major reasons.

If Saddam didn't have WMD, he wouldn't have been a big threat, he wouldn't have been able to possibly gain control of the ME and potentially blackmail the world. So, Saddam without WMD wouldn't have been very formidable and we hadn't had to take him out.

Which gets us back to WMD really was a major factor, in conjuntion with the other reasons, where the other reasons by themselves wouldn't have been nearly as compelling without Saddamp possessing WMD.

So the major reason was WMD, as Bush said.
43 posted on 05/18/2003 11:01:04 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: kaylar
This is what freepers have been saying from Day One : 'It isn't the WMD, it's the sending of a message to Islamic terrorists'.

Just who were these Freepers? As I remember, the main argument for invading Iraq on those earlier threads was the threat of WMD. I should know, because I was one of the people making that argument.

44 posted on 05/18/2003 11:05:38 AM PDT by SpringheelJack
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To: Drew68
The President never lied to me about WMDs. As far as I am concerned, it was more of a wink and a nod.

I thought, and still believe, that the President was making his charge that Saddam had possession of WMD in good faith. If he was not, and it was merely "a wink and a nod," then I will be seriously annoyed. I don't like to be used as a front for false information.

45 posted on 05/18/2003 11:11:20 AM PDT by SpringheelJack
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To: Austin Willard Wright
It is becoming more apparent that Bush deceived the American people to win support for the war as Clinton deceived them with claims of genocide in Kosovo.

C'mon now, this is not even comparable. Bush could have told Americans that we were going to Iraq because Iraq has sand and Americans would have supported him --that is how angry Americans are towards the folks that live in the region!

It was the rest of the world that needed convincing. The rest of the world thought that taking al-Qaeda out of Afghanistan served justice for 9-11. Americans knew this was not enough.

FWIW, I have no doubt that WMDs exist. If we find them, great! If not, so what. I never felt lied to by the President because I supported wholeheartedly what his administration was doing --whatever the "official" reason. I did not feel this way about the Balkans.

46 posted on 05/18/2003 11:15:29 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: kaylar
But if in the end no weapons are found, does it undermine the case for war?
Only if you believe the official line that their existence was the main reason why war happened.

Can we believe our officials or not?
47 posted on 05/18/2003 11:16:12 AM PDT by aSkeptic (Hi)
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To: kaylar
Forget WMDs - they're not the real reason we went to war

True. The reason we went to war was because Saddam attacked us. The WMDs are the reason we had to lie about why we went to war.

48 posted on 05/18/2003 11:17:18 AM PDT by The Great Satan (Revenge, Terror and Extortion: A Guide for the Perplexed)
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To: VOA
Such stuff they would never air over here in Europe.
49 posted on 05/18/2003 11:23:07 AM PDT by knighthawk (Full of power I'm spreading my wings, facing the storm that is gathering near)
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Wrong about what? The story isn't over yet. The investigation into Saddam's WMD programs is ongoing. We have in fact found mobile WMD labs. Even if he didn't have the weapons made, he could have created them quickly. The means of production of these weapons, indicates the desire to create them. British troops discovered fighter jets equiped with crop duster sprayers. You don't spray crops with fighter jets. Also, do you think that the Iraqi scientists like Mrs. Anthrax and Dr. Germ have been driving taxi cabs all these years?
50 posted on 05/18/2003 11:24:36 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Drew68
but it was never about WMDs.

Bush knows this, I know this and the majority of Americans know this. The whole WMD issue was just a selling point to the rest of the world and to the nitwits here at home.

This is just misleading revisionism. Of course it was about WMD. That was the argument we made to the world, and it was the argument we made to the people in this country. Do you remember all those townhall meetings leading up to the war, in which somebody would always say, "I believe that Saddam has those weapons"? That was what it was about. There were other issues, and those issues alone may be enough to justify the war in retrospect if WMD do not turn up.

But the big issue, and the issue which (despite your revisionism) many freepers were arguing on the basis of, was WMD. Hey, I may just be a "nitwit," but I was there, and I remember what happened, and if Bush knowingly spread a big lie in order to get himself a war, than it won't be hard for the media to make him look like Hitler anyway.

51 posted on 05/18/2003 11:27:01 AM PDT by SpringheelJack
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Never about WMD!? Not on Free Republic. Every time I dared to question the war before we went in, WMD was always the leading pro-argument used against me. Nothing else even came close.

Exactly. I should know, because I was one of the people making that argument. This sudden shift in FR thinking, and the resulting attempts at revisionism seem distinctly unhelpful.

52 posted on 05/18/2003 11:32:34 AM PDT by SpringheelJack
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To: kaylar

"Only if you believe the official line "

'nuff said...

53 posted on 05/18/2003 11:37:24 AM PDT by shuckmaster
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To: Free ThinkerNY
We have in fact found mobile WMD labs.

To be honest with you, I haven't read too many of the 'weapons lab found' stories. But I thought that at least some of the trailers, mobile labs, and other sites HAVE panned out : That there was enough traces left behind in at least some of those to prove that they HAD, in fact, contained prohibited chemicals and other biohazards (maybe even 'weaponized anthrax'?????) . I seem to recall reading about a stream or river in which large amounts of toxins and other chemicals were discovered, apparently hastily dumped.

54 posted on 05/18/2003 12:25:46 PM PDT by kaylar
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To: kaylar
Quite right. I've had FReepers get upset with me for trying to point this out to them. Go figure.
55 posted on 05/18/2003 3:05:24 PM PDT by TheDon ( It is as difficult to provoke the United States as it is to survive its eventual and tardy response)
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To: The Great Satan
I'm not even sure our extraction of the Baathists qualifies as a war, except those deployed are entitled to some good VA stuff now.

BTW, how the heck have you been?

56 posted on 05/18/2003 3:19:22 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: kaylar
If you want to send a message to Islamic terrorists wouldn't it make more sense to attack islamic terrorists instead of the only secular regime in the region?

Islamic terrorists are delighted to see Saddam gone, he repressed them more than anyone else

57 posted on 05/18/2003 3:24:06 PM PDT by ContentiousObjector
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To: Free ThinkerNY
anyone who knows ANYTHING about either Saddam or Al Qaeda would have a hard time believing that.

The establishment of Al Qaeda had three goals

1. Remove American troops from Saudi Arabia
2. Overthrow the secular regimes of Saddam and Mubarak / Islamic revolution in Iraq and Egypt
3. Destruction of Israel

Cooperation between Saddam and Al Qaeda is about as likely as cooperation between Rick Santorum and NAMBLA

58 posted on 05/18/2003 3:31:30 PM PDT by ContentiousObjector
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To: Drew68
We know that Iran's nuclear program makes Iraq's weapons look like a child's toys yet we felt Iraq was more of a threat?

Saudis kill thousands of Americans and pay off the Palestinians to kill us but you regarded Iraq as a bigger threat because they had some tanks?

59 posted on 05/18/2003 3:40:37 PM PDT by sakic
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To: SpringheelJack
This is just misleading revisionism. Of course it was about WMD. That was the argument we made to the world, and it was the argument we made to the people in this country.

And the leftist media is having a field day over the fact that none have yet to be found. So what? I could care less if Saddam had WMDs or not. I still supported going over there and taking out his regime. I don't give one hoot about WMDs and neither do most of the American people. I am just happy that Saddam is gone, we are over there and the mohammedans are demoralized.

60 posted on 05/18/2003 4:19:16 PM PDT by Drew68
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