[Desdemona]

Without deception, right?

Well, yeah. But there are people on this thread who have gone multiple rounds on this topic and whether or not even family members who are in a tough spot should be helped.

Women who deceive men...I don't have any use for them either.

[Utilizer]

"Women who deceive men...I don't have any use for them either."

Bravo, luv. Now if only there were more like you about. :<)