New book on parenting engenders anger in gays

www.northjersey.com ^ | 12/13/02 | Ruth Padawar

[lentulusgracchus]

[gcruse] Tomboys may grow up to be perfectly hetero girls.

[Clint N. Suhks] Oh? They “may” but research show it’s likely that they won’t.

I always liked tomboys myself -- they were straight with you, none of that incipient preciousness and indirection -- and they did cool stuff with you, like catching frogs.

Doubtless some tomboys become lesbians, or were lesbians, but I know a few who never were, and they're still likable people. A straight woman who's straight with you is man's best friend, IMHO -- no offense to the faithful pooch.

[vpintheak]

Heaven forbid that we raise our boys to be boys and girls to be girls. There is a reason God destoyed Soddom and Gamorrah, as well as homosexuality being spoken about as sin in the New Testament. This "everybody is alright with me" philosophy makes me sick. I am glad someone with morals and common sense is being heard nationally.

[butter pecan fan]

I figure if you show them a normal male/female relationship they'll turn out okay. I also think that if you love and support your children, then they will turn out fine. Of course, my kids are only 6 and 8, so I don't know what they will be like in 10 or 20 years.

I agree, with a couple of caveats: You also have to actively teach them what's normal, point out how much of our society is not normal, and keep them out of the clutches of the NEA and popular culture. And they have to have a healthy, loving relationship from their parents, especially from the dad.

[Clint N. Suhks]

I know a few who never were, and they're still likable people.

I couldn’t agree more regardless of pathology, my family has its share.

[steve-b]

"His ideas sound like they're from the 1950s,"
It certainly wasn't a bad time in the country.

As long as you're lurking here, do you have anything to say to the many FReepers who want you to step down as Majority Leader?

[yendu bwam]

I agree, with a couple of caveats: You also have to actively teach them what's normal, point out how much of our society is not normal, and keep them out of the clutches of the NEA and popular culture. And they have to have a healthy, loving relationship from their parents, especially from the dad.

Well said, bpf. Boys naturally pull away from reliance on their mothers as they approach puberty, and they need a strong, masculine and loving presence from their fathers to help teach them how to be men - and how to be around men (in the normal way). And, as you say, both parents have to teach their kids to resist the abundant perversity in our society. Boy Scouts and sports, in particular, have helped our sons in this process - where they learn from older boys and other fathers - in addition to what they learn from me.

[steve-b]

Oh, piffle. The real cause of the problem was identified almost forty years ago:

Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began?
Mandrake: Ah, no; no, I don't Jack.
Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? Its incredibly obvious, isn't it. A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.
Mandrake: Uh, Jack... Jack, listen, tell me, tell me, Jack. When did you first become... well, develop this theory?
Ripper: Well, I, uh... I... I... first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love.
Mandrake: Hmm.
Ripper: Yes, a uh, a profound sense of fatigue... a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I... I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence.
Mandrake: Hmm.
Ripper: I can assure you that it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women uh...women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, Mandrake.
Mandrake: No.
Ripper: But I...I do deny them my essence.

[steve-b]

lectures on seminal weakness

Yep; that's what you get when you let the Commies mess with your precious bodily fluids.

[steve-b]

foot binding isn't a pathology

Trying to top your record for inanity again?

[Gargantua]

"Building a bridge to the nineteenth century."

More like building a bridge back to God's proscribed plan of order in His universe. That which is "new" is not good just because it's "new."

Frankly, "conservatives" are people who by nature resist change merely for the sake of change, and who certainly resist moral decay and societally destructive deviancy.

If one doesn't ascribe to these concepts, on cannot be a true conservative. This site was created for conservatives. This world was created for those who would obey God.

Those who do not obey Him will find this out the hard way. Why do you think that there is such an unusually high suicide rate among homosexuals? Because they are happy with the life-choice they've made?

Why do you think homosexuality is so repugnant to moral, heterosexual individuals? Because it's "just another choice," and it's "okay?"

Comparing teaching our children Biblically correct life-choices to "foot-binding" is just another symptom of a deathly ill and crumbling society. Nice work.

[Clint N. Suhks]

Oh my! Still confusing innate characteristic with chosen behavior? What are you in third grade?

[gcruse]

The forum really doesn't need that kind of garbage.

[MEGoody]

Yes, there were bad things that occurred in the 50s, but there were terrific things too. The economy was such that women could afford to stay home with kids. There was much less filth spread around society in the form of profanity, porn and downright laciviousness.

[Clint N. Suhks]

Trying to top your record for inanity again?

Time to take your Ritalin.

[Clint N. Suhks]

Are we now the self-appointed hall monitor? Apparently the first amendment is just for other people. I thought it eloquently visualized steve-b’s sexual orientation. I didn’t know you’re soooo… sensitive, it seems pretty silly for a pro-sodomy cheerleader.

[gcruse]

The First Amendment applies to government encroachment, nothing to do with a private forum. Perhaps you should permit yourself the occasional luxury of unexpressed bile.

[agrace]

"His ideas sound like they're from the 1950s," said John Chapman, a Teaneck father of two girls, ages 15 and 19. "I was brought up with those ideas, and I can't imagine imposing them on my kids. Giving girls dolls or making boys play baseball won't make them heterosexual, though it may make them miserable and repress who they really are. We raised our children to know we would love them no matter what."

It's amazing though. My 5 year old daughter loves dolls and dress up. My almost 2 year old son has a passion for trucks, cars, tools, loud noises (he goes bonkers when I vaccuum and runs around making a raspy noise in his throat in imitation) and anything he can bang. He is ALL boy, and we did nothing to foster it (in fact I tend to discourage the banging whenever possible). My daughter is quite a girl too. In fact, my husband and I were going over her Christmas stuff and what she asked for and he complained "But it's all, well, DOLL STUFF!" Uh babe...she's a girl and it's what she wants. :)

Bottom line is, while not every household is as typical as mine, there are distinct, documentable differences between the two sexes. Denying THAT, imo, is what causes most of the confusion.

[yendu bwam]

There is a great deal of evidence that homosexuality(especially for men) comes primarily from these things: 1) longing for male (especially) fatherly love in life; 2) male peer rejection and an inability to relate to same-age males; 3) being homosexually molested as a teen; and 4) fear of females. This book runs along the line of these hypotheses. I suspect that there is a great deal of truth presented in this book, and that it is an honest attempt to help parents prevent a severe and often disastrous disorder from developing. I don't think there are many (if any) parents who want their kids to become homosexual. Parents would do well to read this book.

[Clint N. Suhks]

nothing to do with a private forum.

And nothing to do with you either, right? I’ll bet you were the tattletale in school who constantly told the teacher, for self-serving purposes, Johnny said a bad word. Am I right?

Or in this case, Johnny said the objective truth.