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Guilty for smoking
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Posted on 10/28/2002 12:54:44 PM PST by chance33_98


Guilty for smoking
The first trial challenging El Paso's no-smoking ordinance has ended quickly. 

Saturday, October 26, 2002 -- Jurors took just six minutes in handing down a guilty sentence.

Ken Bengston was ticketed for smoking at the Texas Bar and Grill last June. While he claims he wasn't smoking, a police officer says he saw Bengston smoking at the restaurant.

For jurors, regardless of their personal feelings about smoking, this was an open and shut case.

Fred Gardea, Jury Foreman, said, "It was short, we didn't deliberate much. We just figured he was guilty, and that's it."

Bengston has paid the fine, but says he may still appeal the decision.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: pufflist
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To: Waskishi
Hehehe, Florida democrat...Viagra...

According to ASHRAE during last year's WCB hearings in Canada, ventilation rates for bars, cocktail lounges and casinos where smoking is allowed are 30 cfm (cubic feet per minute per person). Their previously published official indoor air quality ventilation standards for smoking v non-smoking were 60cfm v 20cfm respectively. Have no idea how that works out re volume vs velocity.

41 posted on 10/29/2002 9:51:02 PM PST by Max McGarrity
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To: VRWC_minion
Do you know where the 35,000 times comes from when the regs call for 4 times per hour ? I don't even think nature exchanges the air outside 35,000 times per hour.

I'm pretty sure I never said anything about 35,000 times per hour. You see? Typical of an anti, you see what you want to see whether it's there or not.

Self-styled anti-smoker "expert" James Repace claims it would take 300 mph winds to remove smoke from a room. Once he even said 700 mph winds. Hurricane Andrew clocked in around 165 mph with gusts up to 212. Maybe that's what he means: If the room is gone, there ain't no smoke left either.

42 posted on 10/29/2002 10:02:13 PM PST by Max McGarrity
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To: VRWC_minion
You'll notice this list does not include Houston, Dallas or San Antonio. Is that because these major metropolitan areas have no such "model" ordinance or because the folks who are compiling this didn't feel like checking on them?
44 posted on 10/29/2002 11:14:01 PM PST by Tall_Texan
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To: Illbay
Smokers are THE SINGLE MOST rude, self-centered people on the face of this planet.

I'm sure that sounds much better in the original German, so here ya go:

Raucher sind MEISTE rude, Selbst-zentrierte Leute auf dem Gesicht dieses Planeten DAS EINZELNE.

45 posted on 10/30/2002 12:22:31 AM PST by Freedom4US
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To: Max McGarrity
My question was where is the 35,000 times fact you folks throw around ?
46 posted on 10/30/2002 6:37:17 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: Max McGarrity
I'm pretty sure I never said anything about 35,000 times per hour

35,000 times works out to a year at 4 times per hour (which is the regulation) 24 hours per day. Talk about throwing out misleading stats. That is not becoming of a principled smoker is it ?

An exchange of merely 4 times per hour means I need to breathe your smoke for up to 15 minutes before its gone. No thanks.

47 posted on 10/30/2002 6:41:51 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: Tall_Texan
Is that because these major metropolitan areas have no such "model" ordinance or because the folks who are compiling this didn't feel like checking on them?

I don't know. I wanted to look for some sort of support for what is required for air exchange. The 35,000 figure implied that it was at least daily and was obviously used to mislead the debate. When you find out that it boils down to every 15 minutes and that one must endure the smoke for 15 minutes before its gone is not exactly an endorsement that good air equipment is the answer.

48 posted on 10/30/2002 6:44:51 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: Just another Joe
"The jurors could have, I suppose, told the judge that they found him not guilty because of a bad ordinance."

Can't have that!!!

...altho that would have been the proper course...and the juries DUTY.

redrock

49 posted on 10/30/2002 6:47:07 AM PST by redrock
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To: Freedom4US
Smokers are THE SINGLE MOST rude, self-centered people on the face of this planet.

Actually, people who hijack airplanes and fly them into large buildings are the single most rude, self-centered people on the face of this planet. Followed by:

2. "Suicide bombers".

3. Spree killers.

4. Self-styled "civil rights" activists.

5. People who play their car stereos loud enough to register on the Richter Scale.

6. People who put loud obnoxious car alarms in POS cars that no self-respecting crook would be tempted to steal.

7. People who do not flush.

8. People who think the right to murder an unwanted baby is the most important civil right in the world.

9. Drug addicts.

10. Other Democrats.

11. Smokers (although some of the ones here may be worse than Democrats).

50 posted on 10/30/2002 7:58:57 AM PST by Tall_Texan
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To: VRWC_minion
35,000 times works out to a year at 4 times per hour (which is the regulation) 24 hours per day. Talk about throwing out misleading stats. That is not becoming of a principled smoker is it ?

It's only "misleading" in the mind of an Anti True Believer, minnie. I said very clearly "the water in a pool is exchanged once a year and the air in a restaurant about 35,000 times."

An exchange of merely 4 times per hour means I need to breathe your smoke for up to 15 minutes before its gone. No thanks.

Well, no you don't. You can simply take the responsibility for going to places that don't permit smoking. Sounds like you and I would both be happier if we were in totally separate places.

51 posted on 10/30/2002 12:48:25 PM PST by Max McGarrity
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