New Frontier in Random Drug Testing: Checking High Schoolers for Tobacco

Associated Press ^ | Oct. 7, 2002 | Greg Giuffrida

[freeeee]

Quote me.

I think post #58 addresses that.

[MrLeRoy]

Find one authority in support.

It's not my position. Ask them.

You missed a question: "what is your basis for claiming that their interpretation of the Constitution is insincere?"

[freeeee]

what is your basis for claiming that their interpretation of the Constitution is insincere?

I can't speak for Roscoe, but the fed holds that its WoD is constitutional because of FDR's commerce clause.

Interesting position for a "conservative", no?

[Roscoe]

Those powers not enumerated to the fed are prohibited, as per the 10th Amendment.

Oh? You only oppose federal restrictions on the illicit drug trade?

Produce a single authority or court decision holding that drug laws violate the 10th Amendment.

[Roscoe]

How dishonest. You introduced the term "pro-dope" in post 26.

[MrLeRoy]

the fed holds that its WoD is constitutional because of FDR's commerce clause.

Interesting position for a "conservative", no?

It's an appalling position for a conservative. But I'm not addressing the truth or falsity of the position; I'm asking Roscoe where is his evidence that those who say it's against the Constitution to prohibit anything are not "honest about their agenda."

[Roscoe]

You missed a question: "what is your basis for claiming that their interpretation of the Constitution is insincere?"

That it's false and completely unsupported.

[MrLeRoy]

You introduced the term "pro-dope" in post 26.

No, Kevin Curry did in post 22, which post 26 makes clear. If you must lie, Roscoe, at least be less stupidly obvious about it.

[ItsOurTimeNow]

and 100% of all drug-addicted serial killers drank water at some point in their lives. Coincidence? (insert scary music here) LOL

[MrLeRoy]

it's false and completely unsupported.

That has no bearing on its sincerity. Your slurs about their not being "honest about their agenda" are baseless.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

What if the kids turn up positive for HIV?

[Nate505]

Hey Wolfie,

Isn't it amusing how most of these people didn't care when it came to testing for illegal drugs, but are now crying about the loss of freedom when it comes for tobacco, even though it's generally illegal for most high schoolers?

[MrLeRoy]

What if the kids turn up positive for HIV?

As a result of smoking?

[freeeee]

You only oppose federal restrictions on the illicit drug trade?

I recognize that the fed has no legitimate constitutional authority to conduct a WoD. States may have that power, but only if their own constitutions allow it.

My personal preference is that states do not conduct a WoD. But I recognize their potential legitimate power to do so under the federal Constitution.

Produce a single authority or court decision holding that drug laws violate the 10th Amendment.

I couldn't care less what authorities who act outside their lawful mandates think. All three branches ignore the 10th Amendment. Doing so undermines their authority, not that of the Constitution. I don't need anyone to uphold the 10th Amendment. It stands on its own without the help of the corrupt, socialist disciples of FDR you and yours have disgraced our offices with. Until the 10th is revoked per the amendment process, all you have is usurpation backed with the violence of brute force. Such is the way of tyrants and thugs, and will draw NO respect or recognition from me.

[Roscoe]

No, Kevin Curry did in post 22

No, he mentioned "pro-dopers." You introduced the term "pro-dope" and I responded to your use of the term.

Pretending that FR doesn't have "pro-dope" posters is nonsense.

[Wolfie]

I dunoo, this turned into a WOD rant pretty quick. They must be making the connections alright.

[aruanan]

Breath mints won't cut it anymore for students who have been smoking in the bathroom -- some schools around the country are administering urine tests to teenagers to find out whether they have been using tobacco.

I wonder how they can weed out environmental smoke from parents and friends.

[aruanan]

Screenings can detect cotinine for up to 10 days in regular smokers of about a half a pack, or 10 cigarettes, a day, McAlpin said. Experts say it is unlikely that cotinine would collect in people exposed to secondhand smoke.

Let's base a policy on "unlikely".

[Roscoe]

States may have that power, but only if their own constitutions allow it.

Backwards. They have that power unless their state constitutions prohibit it.

[Produce a single authority or court decision holding that drug laws violate the 10th Amendment.]

I couldn't care less what authorities who act outside their lawful mandates think.

Your position is baseless.

[Wolfie]

I wonder how they can weed out environmental smoke from parents and friends.

They said the same thing about pot smoke. The standard reply is that it is the student's responsibility to avoid exposure to such undesirable activity.