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New Frontier in Random Drug Testing: Checking High Schoolers for Tobacco
Associated Press ^ | Oct. 7, 2002 | Greg Giuffrida

Posted on 10/08/2002 4:35:09 AM PDT by Wolfie

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1 posted on 10/08/2002 4:35:09 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie
I guess the only tolerated if not encouraged pasttime for teens would be condomed sex.
2 posted on 10/08/2002 4:50:48 AM PDT by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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3 posted on 10/08/2002 5:10:24 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie
Another day, another couple Freedoms gone.

This is getting out of control. What if a kid, hangs out with 5 buddies who all smoke cigarettes, but never smokes himself...how would he test? Since all the news about second hand smoke, I would assume traces of 'smoking' would appear in the non-smoker as well.

4 posted on 10/08/2002 5:14:57 AM PDT by TheOtherOne
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Save your breath, its all been said before. The Supreme Court said its ok to test. Game over.
5 posted on 10/08/2002 5:16:43 AM PDT by Wolfie
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This needs to be postred over and over, until the Nazis are in full retreat.
6 posted on 10/08/2002 5:17:39 AM PDT by metesky
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In most cases, the penalties for testing positive for cotinine -- a metabolic byproduct that remains in the body after smoking or chewing tobacco --

Hold it, hold it.

Stupid Science Alert.

This means that people who are quitting smoking with Nicorette gum or the Patch will flunk the test.

Idiots.

7 posted on 10/08/2002 5:21:20 AM PDT by Gorzaloon
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Experts say it is unlikely that cotinine would collect in people exposed to secondhand smoke.

They better not eat tomatoes or certain other vegetables or they will also be testing positive for cotinine. I hope our resident drug warriors are happy about this development. If I were a kid I would hand a piss cup to the teacher and ask HIM for a specimen too. Can't have anyone who uses drugs or alcohol to influence the children now can we???
8 posted on 10/08/2002 5:22:28 AM PDT by Kozak
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To: Gorzaloon
Looks like cold turkey will be the way to go if they want to sing in the choir.
9 posted on 10/08/2002 5:22:48 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie
I thank God I went to skool back before the Nazi's were running the gulags.

Did these Commandants ever hear of the Forbidden Fruit theory?

I thought children went to skool to be educated! It seems the focus has changed to survival.

10 posted on 10/08/2002 5:28:42 AM PDT by fone
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Opponents say such testing violates students' rights and can keep them out of the extracurricular activities they need to stay on track.

Let's see if I understand this argument. It's not Jason's smoking that keeps him off the football team, it's the test. And of course, if we don't permit Jason to break team rules and state laws, then he'll end up being a lawbreaker.

"Rights" as outlined in the Constitution and elsewhere are important. I get so tired of legitimite rights being trivialized by those who think there should be no laws and no rules, or at least no penalties for breaking them. What "rights" are being violated by the tests? The "right" to break the state law? The "right" to ignore the football team rules? The "right" of children to addict themselves?

11 posted on 10/08/2002 5:31:48 AM PDT by southernnorthcarolina
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What "rights" are being violated by the tests?

None. The Supreme Court has ruled as such. I'm not sure what the "violating kid's rights" crowd is getting at. Maybe they missed last year's case.

12 posted on 10/08/2002 5:34:24 AM PDT by Wolfie
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Save your breath, its all been said before. The Supreme Court said its ok to test. Game over.

For now. They will die and there will be another case. The law of the land is a temporary thing. Hopefully so in this case. Nevertheless, I can't help but speak up about the constant government encrosion into the personal lives and habits of people without the probable cause required in the Constitution. I cannot explain why SCOTUS may not see the Constitution that way, but I do. And in this case I happen to be right.

13 posted on 10/08/2002 5:41:10 AM PDT by TheOtherOne
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To: Wolfie
Heroin is cheaper than beer.
You got to love the gub-a-ment.
14 posted on 10/08/2002 5:51:48 AM PDT by Leisler
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"Some addicted drug users look back to cigarettes as the start of it all,"

Yep, tobacco is the real gateway drug (along with alcohol). I'm sure the FR Drug Warriors support the coming War On Tobacco And Alcohol.

15 posted on 10/08/2002 6:27:12 AM PDT by MrLeRoy
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16 posted on 10/08/2002 6:27:29 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Wolfie
"Some addicted drug users look back to cigarettes as the start of it all"

Let me see if I get this right. Smoking a Marlboro can be the start of addiction to other drugs, but smoking marijuana cannot?

17 posted on 10/08/2002 6:28:24 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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Smoking a Marlboro can be the start of addiction

Use is not the same as addiction.

to other drugs, but smoking marijuana cannot?

Either one can be chronologically prior to the use of other drugs. If that makes marijuana a "gateway drug" it also makes tobacco a "gateway drug."

18 posted on 10/08/2002 6:31:30 AM PDT by MrLeRoy
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19 posted on 10/08/2002 6:34:14 AM PDT by William McKinley
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It won't stop at tobacco. The next thing they will start testing for is caffeine, sugar, carbs, etc, etc, etc.

If the sheeple parents AND students don't do anything about it they can expect more of the same.

Lines are being drawn, and the school system is crossing every one of them.


20 posted on 10/08/2002 6:34:42 AM PDT by unixfox
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