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To: Whilom
What a silly argument you make.

-- Using due process, the state can convict you of felonies which can deprive you of your life, liberty and property.
Criminal law was not at issue. Your comments on it are a feeble attempt to dodge.

Your statement here was the issue:

"The Supreme Court can decide that citizens have the right to keep and bear arms only as part of the militia; in other words, the judges decide what the Constitution means. Further, the Constitution provides a way for the Constitution itself to be changed by amendment. A constitutional amendment through the elected (where numbers count) Congress and a vote of 3/4 of the states or through a Constitutional Convention (membership appointed by the state legislatures, where numbers count) could remove the Second Amendment and replace it with "no citizen has the right to keep or bear arms." That would be devastating, but it still would be "legal" and within our constitutional process." - whilom

You have not refuted the fact that; -- our basic inalienable rights can not be infringed by further amendments. They are inherant natural rights, that are not, and never have been subject to the majority type rule that you imagine our constitution allows.



533 posted on 10/13/2002 4:35:51 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Criminal law was not at issue.

Criminal law is very much the issue. You assert that the community cannot pass and enforce laws that conflict with your reading of the Constitution. I say the community can and does. If you break the law, the community may punish you whether you think it is constitutional or not. We have a chosen method, or process, for testing provisions of the Constitution. You are not it.

You say we all possess inherent "natural rights" which nullify any law you disagree with. The right to life? Texas has demonstrated 37 times this year that it is constitutional to deprive a person of his life for the violation of certain laws. The right to liberty? Sell crack, get caught, and we'll see whether or not the community has the constitutional right to deprive you of your liberty. The right to property? Set up a factory, spew toxic material into a public stream and we'll see whether or not the community has the constitutional right to stop you from that use of your property. Ready for the first test?

534 posted on 10/16/2002 7:18:30 AM PDT by Whilom
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