IF THEY WEREN'T SERIOUS, THIS WOULD BE HYSTERICAL

The Cigar Show ^ | 2 October 2002 | Chuck Cason

[ccmay]

Please cite your source for this "right" you claim for whining crybabies to demand that the whole world accommodate their genetic weakness.

You're obviously referring to the whining crybabies with a genetic predisposition to become hopeless nicotine addicts. You're absolutely right, there is no reason whatsoever that the rest of us should have to breathe the vile by-products of their public drug fixes. Why would any sane person think we need to accommodate such weak-willed crybaby smoke junkies, indeed? Clear them out of public life and let them inflict their pollution on their own homes!

Glad you agree with me.

-ccm

[Zon]

At this point, I'm not sure WHAT you posted.

I posted our discussion from start to finish in my last response (112) to you. Besides, you can follow the discussion back through the reply links that are with every post made.

Are you with us or against us???

What do you think? I asked you first in my last response. Honesty is honorable -- that's more than gracious and both a hint and a recommendation.

[Nuke'm Glowing]

Your social experiment has already been tried in history ccmay. There was a segment of the population that was banned from entering certain buildings, not allowed to mingle in restraunts, and discriminated in hiring and benefits. Why did this happen? Were they smokers? No, the were German Jews.

Based on your analogies and statements, Hitler was right. Claiming to be a conservative is one thing, aligning with the wingnut socialist left disqualifies you however in my book and many others, I'm sure.

[Nuke'm Glowing]

"What is your opinion if the majority of restaurants want smoking banned and work together with the state to enact a ban ? isn't that a private property right of the owners to petition for regulations ?"

Based on that statement, the Jim Crow laws were legal. And despite your utopian view of government, they are still enforced in Alabama and Mississippi, once you get away from the major cities. So if you walked into my business and I refused to serve you, you will get the man with the gun to come in there and force me to. Pure facism in my book.

[ccmay]

Restaurants are not public accomodations, they are privately owned and as such the owner has the right to run his establishment as he sees fit.

Horse s**t!

Try serving rotten meat in your restaurant, or selling pot under the counter, or putting up a sign that says 'No blacks allowed.' Crimes and public nuisances are protected by no statute and it matters not whether they take place on public or private property. Tobacco pollution falls into the same category.

If you want to convince your fellow citizens otherwise, feel free to carp on FR or the libertarian sites about your grand theories of why it's Just So Unfair. But as time goes by, expect society -- including the courts -- to pay less and less attention to the whining of smoke junkie crybabies who want to take their nicotine fix in places open to the public.

-ccm

[Nuke'm Glowing]

Timm22, welcome to the new tactic. You go on to a message board "disguised" as a conservative. But you have the socialist/facist handbook of catch phrases and talking points. This is no different than watching a Barney Frank interview on a news program. You get the catchy name calling phrases, but no real substance other than undocumented "everyone wants it" statements.

[Nuke'm Glowing]

SheLion...I'm ashamed..I thought I had asked to be added to this list...especially with the foolishness we're about to endure the next 4 weeks in Florida.

[Nuke'm Glowing]

Just remember, when they come for your SUV, when they close your fast food chains, when prohibition is re-introduced, when red meat, wine, processed foods, chemically treated produce and genetically enhanced other foods are all banned, you, of all people, approved of it. Because you claim that government and a small group of "health authorities" have the right to dictate what you consume, drive or come into contact with in your life. Maybe you should get ahead of the curve and learn the Albanian language now. 1972 Albania is your utopia. So keep fighting for it.

[altair]

No, no, no. Move to Chiyoda-ku in Central Tokyo.

[ccmay]

I am perplexed as to how someone could have such hatred for a plant (tobacco).

Then you have never watched anyone close to you die a slow and painful death from lung cancer.

I hate the demon weed. I don't hate those who smoke it but I hate the arguments they put forth in forums like this.

Why they should their own lack of willpower give them the privilege of inflicting their filthy smoke on all the rest of us?

Why should they be allowed to go around puffing on their drug fixes within sight of impressionable children?

That's what I hate. The poor pitiful junkies, I just feel sorry for them; they are in the grips of a drug craving worse than heroin in its addictiveness. Most of them will admit this. Those few who go around blustering about their "constitutional right" to blow filthy smoke into the air I breathe have my pity but not my respect.

Their arguments resemble the typical rationalization and excuse making of any other drug dependent addict. We don't listen to the ravings of smack addicts when we make laws against heroin, and I don't see why we need to have the least concern about nicotine junkies jonesing for a smoke when we set public policy on smoking in a bar or restaurant.

-ccm

[ccmay]

Hey, damn, I wish I had seen our friend "ccmay" (Communist Crazy about May) online.

I think that ugly stupid people should be put up against the wall and shot. If that gets passed down here in Florida cc, I would suggest major plastic surgery before visiting our state.

Give it up with ccmay. He's a facist with communist leanings. He could care less about your freedoms. He's only concerned about those that affect his ability to hug trees and donate to Jerry Brown out in Commiefornia.

Remarkable, and wrong on every single accusation. Is that all you have to add to the discussion? You must need a smoke...

-ccm

[Nuke'm Glowing]

Actually, I contributed a lot, although late to the posting fest because of a long day at work. But I'm always happy to see our resident facist posting. It amuses me. And makes me feel sorry for any parent sending their kids to a NEA school.

[Nuke'm Glowing]

Oh, and I already enjoyed my Diamond Crown this afternoon while trapped in rush hour driving home. It was quite enjoyable. But I'm sure you'll want to ban that. God forbid a human enjoys pleasure.

[ccmay]

There was a segment of the population that was banned from entering certain buildings, not allowed to mingle in restraunts, and discriminated in hiring and benefits. Why did this happen? Were they smokers? No, the were German Jews.

Your argument would make more sense if they could drop their Jewish identity outside the door of the restaurant and pick it up again on the way out.

As it is, it's a complete non sequitir and grossly insulting to the memory of those whom Hitler killed. I hate what smokers do, not who they are, and if you can't see the difference, shame on you.

-ccm

[timm22]

Please point out where anyone has advocated "the privilege of inflicting their filthy smoke on all the rest of us." People are simply arguing that a property owner should be able to set the rules for how his property is used. No one is forced to go to a restaurant that allows smoking. However, anti-smokers want laws to force smokers out of restaurants that would otherwise accept them. It seems that they are the ones who want to impose their will on everyone else.

You do also realize that many of the people you are arguing against are non-smokers, don't you? I've never used a tobacco product in my life, and yet I'm using the same arguments as those addicted smokers. I don't need a nicotine fix. I simply care about freedom, which is the real issue here.

[timm22]

Please put me on your smoke list too.

[tpaine]

Just as I figured, you ignore the clear language of the 14th on property, and the clear reasoning that prohibitions violate due process, -- to babble on about majority rule statute law, - law that is unconstitutional on its face.

States/localities do not have the power to violate our bill of rights in the writing of their local law.
It is amazing that this fact is disputed by a 'conservative'.

[Nuke'm Glowing]

So what you are saying is that because I want to enjoy my cigar, in a bar or restraunt that caters to cigar smokers, I should be banned from doing so. I should not give my money to a business that wants me there. I should be banned from going out in public because every now and then, I like to light up. No, there's no difference. You make these high and mighty health and philsophically pathtetic arguments. The point I am making is that facism is facism, whether enforced against Jews or smokers. If you fail to see the difference, there is no hope for you. You've taken that first big step to communist/facist nirvana. And that is very apparent in your postings.

[Just another Joe]

ccmay, if you want to have a discourse or a debate that is fine with me.
If you continue to attack with words like "junky" and "take his drugs" I WILL use the abuse button.
You just let me know which you would like.

To return to your point about asthmatics or people with emphysema, where can one of these people with a pre-existing medical condition go NOW that they are not inhaling diesel exhaust, gasoline exhaust, particulates from many many sources? If the person KNOWS that there is a hazard to their pre-existing condition it doesn't sound too smart to me to enter that place.
There are plenty of smoke free places NOW that they can go, or would be if the market dictated such, so why use the power of government to force a business owner to abide by a policy they might not otherwise make for the sake of one or two customers.