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HR 4691, Some Voted Against allowing Doctors,Hospitals the right to choose to not commit abortions.
http://www.prolifeinfo.org/ ^ | 9.26.02

Posted on 09/26/2002 11:02:30 AM PDT by Coleus

Check to see if your congressman voted AGAINST this bill and FREEP him if he did and congratulate your congressman who voted FOR this bill.

Our NJ Congressional Delegation, including 3 Roman Catholic Congressman: Pascrell, Pallone and Menendez, voted Against allowing Doctors and Hospitals right to choose to not commit abortions.

The legislation passed 229-189 with NJ 4-8-1 with Marge Roukema not voting.

To see the vote tally visit:
http://clerkweb.house.gov/cgi-bin/vote.exe?year=2002&rollnumber=412

This is not a partisan issue.  37 Democrats voted for HR 4691 The Abortion Non-Discrimination Act.  24 Republicans, including Rodney Frelinghuysen, voted Against allowing medical professionals and institutions right to choose to not commit abortions.

Contact your Representative in NJ:

http://www.nje3.org/blitz/uscongress.html

Contact your Representative in the USA:

http://www.capwiz.com/nra/dbq/officials/directory/directory.dbq?command=congdir

From:  The Pro-Life Infonet <infonet@prolifeinfo.org>
Reply-To:  Steven Ertelt <infonet@prolifeinfo.org>
Subject:   It's Still Legal to Oppose Abortion, Isn't It?
Source:   National Review; September 25, 2002

It's Still Legal to Oppose Abortion, Isn't It?
by Kathryn Jean Lopez

[Pro-Life Infonet Note:  Kathryn Jean Lopez is the executive editor of
National Review.]

You might think that any piece of legislation with the word
"non-discrimination" in it is just about automatically headed for easy
congressional passage. What politician wants to be on record as being in
favor of discrimination?

Well, it's just not so. At least if the issues involved are religion and
abortion.

The House of Representatives is set to take up the Abortion
Non-Discrimination Act (ANDA) this week. The goal of the bill is to protect
Americans' right to not have to pay for or otherwise participate in
abortions. Specifically, ANDA seeks to protect religious hospitals and other
health-care providers (clinics, insurers, nurses, doctors) who are opposed,
in conscience, to abortion, from having to have anything to do with them.

This has been one of the hottest "reproductive rights" issues over the last
few years. Very few statehouses haven't seen coercive bills seeking to force
religious -- often Catholic-hospitals to provide the whole gamut of so-called
"reproductive health" services, including abortion, all in the name of
"access." Currently 49 states (the exception is Vermont) have some kind of
conscience protection for health-care providers, though none of them are as
comprehensive as the proposed ANDA bill-which covers all health-care
"entities."

In this regard, one of the favorite topics among abortion advocates recently
has been hospital mergers. Planned Parenthood argues, in an action alert send
out to supporters this week, that health-care institutions, whatever their
affiliation, "operate in a secular sphere, and employ and serve people of
diverse backgrounds and faiths. Thus, their claimed right to refuse to
provide these services imposes serious burdens on people who do not share
their religious views."

The ANDA bill, says PP, "would allow the 'conscience' of the entity to trump
the 'conscience' and needs of the women they serve. . . . This is wrong."

What is not wrong, however, in Planned Parenthood's estimation, is "the
entity" -- i.e. actual private organizations and Americans -- being forced by
law to provide services that the people who make up the organizations believe
to be morally prohibited. In fact, these hospitals often believe the very
essence of their work is founded on an opposition to the taking of a human
life. It's a principle that all of medicine -- whether the practitioners were
religious, agnostic, or atheist -- once considered at its very core.

Even a nonsectarian hospital can get in legal trouble under the current
regime. In Alaska, Valley Hospital's (elected) board decided that it did not
want to continue letting a community OB/GYN use hospital facilities to
perform abortions. The board's decision meant that abortion was no longer
available at the hospital except in cases of "rape, incest, and danger to the
life of the mother -- exactly the same policy the federal government has had
in Medicaid and its other health programs for many years," as board member
Karen Vosburgh told the House Energy and Commerce committee this summer.

As Vosburgh told the committee, an Alaska court's subsequent decision (upheld
by the state supreme court) to prohibit Valley Hospital from making such a
decision "potentially places all hospitals in our state in a 'Catch-22'
situation. If you are a non-religious hospital you have no First Amendment
claim of religious freedom, so you must provide abortions. If you are a
religious hospital with a 'free exercise' claim, respect for your right of
conscience may be seen as showing favoritism to religion, so you may still
have to provide abortions."

It's just not Planned Parenthood and the overt abortion-advocacy groups
actively opposing ANDA. The American Civil Liberties Union's Reproductive
Freedom Project sent a representative to the Hill earlier in the summer to
argue that the bill would unfairly restrict women from abortion,
contraception, and even simple counseling.

The groups lobbying against ANDA have grabbed the talking points from their
anti-abortion folder without focusing on the actual legislation they are so
enthusiastically opposing. In fact, if this were not the narrow clarification
that ANDA is, pro-lifers would likely be debating amongst themselves, some
saying that the bill does not go far enough into specifics, into the realm of
abortifacient so-called contraception, for instance. But these are battles
for another day-having nothing to do with this piece of legislation.

Simply put, this isn't a bill about abortion politics. It's a bill about
freedom. What abortion advocates have been arguing when it comes to "access"
is that they would see rather a hospital merger not go through-and a hospital
potentially shut down -- than allow a hospital to choose not to participate
in what its employees and founders believe to be murder of a human life. For
them, this is not about freedom. Their opposition to ANDA is a backdoor way
to oppose any restrictions on women getting abortions whenever, wherever. As
Brigham Young University Law School professor Lynn Wardle has put it,
"zealous abortion activists continue to try to use the powers of government
to compel participation in and payment for and coverage of abortion.
Specifically, they try to compel hospitals, clinics, provider groups, and
health-care insurers to provide facilities for, personnel for, and funding
for abortion."

In fact, despite the scare stories from those opposed to ANDA, federally
funded abortions would still be possible under ANDA. Nor is this a bill that
seeks to reverse Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court ruling that okayed abortion.
As a fact sheet put out by the Catholic Bishops' pro-life department notes,
"States can ensure access to any abortions they fund without forcing specific
providers against their will to provide these particular abortions. A
requirement that a state will contract only with a provider that offers
absolutely every reimbursable service would be an enormous barrier to
patients' access to care, as few providers in any state could meet such a
test."

The case for the Abortion Non-Discrimination Act is a simple one, despite the
heated rhetoric. As Pennsylvania congressman Joe Pitts put it at a hearing in
July, "Abortion is an elective surgery. It is not prenatal care. It is not
basic health care, as some of our friends would like us to believe. Private
hospitals should be able to decide what types of elective surgery they wish
to offer. If they don't want to provide abortions, they shouldn't have to."

That simplicity might give the bill a decent shot at passage. Tough sells on
pro-life issues, like Republicans Tom Davis and Fred Upton, are cosponsoring
ANDA. And some leading pro-life members -- along with the Catholic bishops,
an important voice on this issue in particular, given that there are over 600
Catholic hospitals in the U.S. (never mind other Catholic health-care
entities) -- are willing to push for this as a top priority for passage
before the end of the year (likely as part of a lame-duck session, after the
election). Rep. Pitts tells NRO: "I think there will be overwhelming support
for the bill when it comes up for a vote." In fact, as Pitts points out, even
President Clinton signed a less comprehensive conscience-clause bill in 1996.
Cases like the Alaska one, however, make the need for ANDA clear.

In fact, for some members, ANDA is not at all different from what they voted
for in 1996. Senator Olympia Snowe said on the Senate floor in 1996: "[The
amendment] does protect those institutions and those individuals who do not
want to get involved in the performance or training of abortion when it is
contrary to their beliefs . . . I do not think anyone would disagree with the
fact -- and I am pro-choice on this matter, but I do not think anybody would
disagree with the fact that an institution or an individual who does not want
to perform an abortion should do so contrary to their beliefs." She didn't
foresee how courts would interpret the law: as not including hospitals,
because they are "quasi-public" entities.

Of course, prospects in the Senate -- as is so often the case -- are murkier
than in the House.

As Lynn Wardle noted in his testimony this summer, ANDA "is a very small, but
very important, step in the right direction." Wardle tells NRO, "The basic
issue in the Abortion Non-Discrimination Act is forced abortion. A forced
abortion occurs not only when a woman is forced to have an abortion she does
not want, but also when a health-care provider is forced to provide or
participate in an abortion against her will. Even the Supreme Court abortion
cases are based on protecting voluntary choice. The right of individuals and
organizations of individuals to choose in accord with their conscience to not
have and to not participate in abortion must be protected against extremists
who are trying to coerce others to provide abortion services that extremists
want but which others find morally repugnant. That is what ANDA is about. It
protects freedom of choice, the freedom not to be forced to perform or
support abortion against one's moral beliefs."

But then, for some, there are issues much more important than choice and
non-discrimination: like making sure abortion is anything but rare. That's
why National Organization for Women calls ANDA "one of the most harmful bills
yet proposed."

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To: Spiff
What kind of district is it? What sort of demographics? Stasrt an effort to beat him in the next primary now. What else is he no good on? Maybe he can be induced to leave Congress and take Barney Frank with him. Kolbe is no kid. Is anyone ready to roll for the nomination if there is a special election? Will Matt Salmon help if he is governor to remove Kolbe? If Kolbe wants to vote to force doctors and hospitals to perform abortions against their consciences or religious tenets, then he is an anti-religious bigot and ought to go instantly. The Libertarians ought not to rise to his defense if he wants to require religious or ethical objectors to initiate force and particularly when the statute invades rights of conscience. "Log Cabin" Republicans are gay or gay-friendly. Do they want to buy off on supporting this bigotry and violation of conscience? Many will not. There are also civil libertarians (small l) among liberal RINOs who may well have problems with this. Raise hell and then defeat it in the next primary. Start now. Good luck and God be with you!
21 posted on 09/26/2002 4:08:34 PM PDT by BlackElk
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To: mcsparkie
"respect for your right of conscience may be seen as showing favoritism to religion"

Your damn freaking right! Like showing "favoritism to religion" is a bad thing!!!!!?????

And I'm not a religious person, but I will defend someone to the hilt whose religion prohibits him/her from performing abortions, giving out birth control information, etc., etc.
22 posted on 09/26/2002 4:17:35 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: BlackElk
Kolbe is worse than that. Kolbe has voted AGAINST the Republicans to vote against EVERY Partial Birth Abortion ban that has come to the House floor. We put that in a Behnke campaign ad right before the election - and the fact that the last time he voted against PBA ban was July 25th - but it didn't help much.

Unfortunately, Behnke got into the campaign late and didn't have the funding to mount a very strong campaign. That, and most of the Republican voters in this district are RINO-lovers. Add to that the fact that Kolbe is the token homo Republican in Congress so enjoys the support of the RINO National Committee (RNC) and he's hard to beat.

We're already looking for who to run against him in the next Primary in two years. We've learned that we have to start early, secure major funding (we were up against Kolbe's $1.6million campaign warchest), and only run a candidate from Tucson (Behnke was from Sierra Vista).

Look at my profile page for more info on Behnke and on this primary election race that saw the IDIOT Republican voters in this district keep Kolbe in office.

23 posted on 09/26/2002 4:17:44 PM PDT by Spiff
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To: JMJ333
When your Congressional representative is the lone, self-proclaimed lesbian, it isn't even necessary to check the vote tally. I know she advocates choice only when it agrees with her agenda.
24 posted on 09/26/2002 5:40:58 PM PDT by EODGUY
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To: JMJ333
Here it is, sign the petition

http://www.cathfam.org/cfexcom/Excom.html

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200107/CUL20010717b.html

http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/2001Apr/apr21hh.htm

http://www.nrlc.org/Federal/Scorecard/pagescore/nj.PDF

http://capwiz.com/nrlc/officials/congress/?state=NJ&azip=07055&bzip=4401&district=08

http://www.nrlc.org/Federal/Scorecard/index.html

http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/2001May/2001hh.htm
25 posted on 09/26/2002 7:34:19 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus
Thanks. Signed. ;)
26 posted on 09/26/2002 7:52:30 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
The day I am told that I must work in a hospital that does abortions is the day I quit nursing. For good.
27 posted on 09/27/2002 6:43:55 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Judith Anne; Antoninus; Black Agnes; Clemenza; FatherFig1o155; hobbes1; Mike Fieschko; ...

I hear ya, that's good you stand for your convictions.

While doing street-side counseling at an abortion clinic, in Englewood, NJ, I came across and employee's car in the parking lot, and much to my surprise I saw a parking permit sticker for St. Joseph's Hospital, Paterson, NJ, on her back window. Yes, she works full time for a Roman Catholic Hospital and on the weekends, she works for the culture of death at the Metropolitan Health Center (abortion mill) in Englewood, NJ.

I called the Sisters of Charity, Convent Station, Chester, NJ, where the order of nuns who run the hospital are located, the Bishop's office of the Paterson Diocese and the Hospital, ALL were indifferent and did not care!!!

And the Bishop's office really flored me when they said what business is this of ours, the hospital employees are not on the diocese's payroll? Can you believe this? All Catholic Institutions (hospitals, colleges, schools, etc.) are under the control of the local bishop!! I don't know, I guess it's OK to have employees of Catholic hospitals perform abortions on their weekend jobs.

I don't know what religion you are but I will tell you now the Catholic Church is dead. They are nothing but a bunch of liberal democrats interested in welfare give-away programs and harboring illegal immigrants.
28 posted on 09/27/2002 3:52:39 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus
Unbelieveable.
29 posted on 09/27/2002 4:23:53 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Coleus
And the Bishop's office really flored me when they said what business is this of ours, the hospital employees are not on the diocese's payroll? Can you believe this? All Catholic Institutions (hospitals, colleges, schools, etc.) are under the control of the local bishop!! I don't know, I guess it's OK to have employees of Catholic hospitals perform abortions on their weekend jobs. I don't know what religion you are but I will tell you now the Catholic Church is dead. They are nothing but a bunch of liberal democrats interested in welfare give-away programs and harboring illegal immigrants.

The Church is not dead, but it is wounded seriously.

30 posted on 09/29/2002 1:56:50 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: yendu bwam
True, it is the Church of Jesus Christ and although we are not perfect He sure is. It shall rebound.

My pastor was telling me today that he was celebrating mass at another church and the Deacon there asked him if he could say the word "hell" during his sermon. My pastor said absolutely. It turns out the pastor of that church doesn't want his subordinates to mention the word hell and my pastor later found out that this Catholic Church does not have the confession schedule listed in their bulletin.

Yes, the church is seriously wounded. The church must do everything in its power to get rid of these liberals.
31 posted on 09/29/2002 5:03:42 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus
My pastor was telling me today that he was celebrating mass at another church and the Deacon there asked him if he could say the word "hell" during his sermon. My pastor said absolutely. It turns out the pastor of that church doesn't want his subordinates to mention the word hell and my pastor later found out that this Catholic Church does not have the confession schedule listed in their bulletin.

I have never heard the word hell in a homily in my whole life. I have never heard the word homosexual in a homily in my whole life. I have never heard the word fornication in a homily in my whole life. I have never heard the word adultery in a homily in my whole life. I have never heard the word contraception in a homily in my whole life. I have never heard the word divorce in a homily in my whole life. This, despite the fact that homosexuality is one of the immense issues of our time, that kids are bombarded every day by sexually tinged messages which promote pre-marital sex. Divorce is extremely commonplace. Etc. Etc. I just want a parish where comprehensive and complete Catholicism is preached and taught. Shouldn't be too much to ask, one would think.

32 posted on 09/29/2002 5:53:08 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: yendu bwam
Yep, these new priests aren't doing their job.
33 posted on 09/30/2002 10:51:22 AM PDT by Coleus
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To: FreeTally
That's because more women vote so the politicians cater to them. And the baby and the baby's father has no rights at all.
34 posted on 09/30/2002 3:43:13 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; ...
There are congressmen, Catholic or otherwise, who voted against Catholic Hospitals and pro-life Health Care Workers, let the people in your district know with a letter to the editor and through e-mail,  especially if you have a Catholic Hospital in your town or congressional district.  All the other life-issue votes since 1997 are on the link too.

Congressional Elections will be in November, check here for their Pro-Life votes

Abortion Non-Discrimination Act, this act prevented Catholic Hospitals and pro-life health-care workers from being penalized for not performing abortions and other procedures contrary to their religious and moral faith. A "yes" vote for this act protected the pro-life workers, a "no" vote penalized Health-Care workers., this act was voted on in 2002.

35 posted on 08/04/2004 10:50:23 AM PDT by Coleus (Brooke Shields killed her children? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1178497/posts)
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To: Coleus

Nancy Pelosi? What a flake! And what a disgrace to her family and faith!


36 posted on 08/04/2004 11:06:08 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: yendu bwam
I have never heard . . .

You and a whole lot of others. But it's not the most recently ordained priests who refuse to speak out. It's the ones who decided back in the '70s that (a) they no longer believed in the "old" teachings and that (b) they were going to stay in the priesthood nonetheless. In my experience, some of these people are very caring pastors, but they are depriving the people in the pews of a real understanding of what the Church teaches--and, when it comes to evil, it is NOT "tolerance."

37 posted on 08/04/2004 1:48:57 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: Coleus; All

Spent a long time at the link clerk's site. Used several search phrases including title and number etc.

ZILCH.

If someone has link to the page listing the votes by State Congress critters, please ping me.


38 posted on 08/04/2004 2:17:56 PM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES, SOULS AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: Quix

Go to post #35 and click the word "here" it will take you to the Nat. RTL legislative page.


39 posted on 08/04/2004 6:03:37 PM PDT by Coleus (Brooke Shields killed her children? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1178497/posts)
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