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LAS VEGAS! Casino profits could go up in (no) smoke
PressAtlanticCity.com ^ | 24 September 2002 | JOE WEINERT

Posted on 09/24/2002 4:22:36 PM PDT by SheLion

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To: southernnorthcarolina
The problem's gonna resolve itself, in my opinion. I don't advocate government intervention here, because I truly don't think there's a significant health issue for non-smokers. Stinky sweaters, yes; lung cancer, probably not. But as an ever-greater percentage of the population finally gets a clue, demand for smoke-free environments will increasingly be accommodated.

And if that was what was happening we could vote with our feet.
However, the government IS getting involved, both through outright bans and through taxes, and THAT is what is getting so many of us here so riled up.

41 posted on 09/25/2002 6:09:57 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: SheLion
No. In this case, Great Dane is correct. The EPA Second Hand Smoke Study was thrown out in a Federal Court.

You are off the post topic. The post was about attendance in casinos and the smell of foul smoke drives people away. NOT the health effects.

42 posted on 09/25/2002 6:44:48 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
You are off the post topic. The post was about attendance in casinos and the smell of foul smoke drives people away. NOT the health effects.

It all comes back to the health effects, to which there is nil.

Most non-smokers we know hang out with smokers, and could care less. Plus, the Casinos in Las Vegas have huge smoke eaters. You have to even look to see if anyone is smoking. The smoke eaters remove all traces of smoke and/or body odor. The days of the smokey back rooms are gone.

But still, the sight of a cigarette is enough to set some people off for some reason or another. And what about all the business that have closed because they were forced to go smoke-free? I still believe government intervention is wrong!

Smoking Bans Bad For Business

43 posted on 09/25/2002 7:00:39 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
Most non-smokers we know hang out with smokers, and could care less. Plus, the Casinos in Las Vegas have huge smoke eaters.

Most non-smokers hang out with non-smokers and do care! Do smokers not care that they stink to most of the population!

44 posted on 09/25/2002 8:01:54 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: SheLion
Excuse me? I am not attacking anyone - personally or otherwise. I simply made a statement about someone that I met this past weekend. She and her friend both looked sickly and unhealthy.
45 posted on 09/25/2002 8:30:26 AM PDT by dixie sass
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To: cinFLA
Most non-smokers hang out with non-smokers and do care! Do smokers not care that they stink to most of the population!

Why do you insist on chipping away at me? You don't have to be around us and we aren't around you. Why don't you move on to something where you will be more productive.

I thought Conservatives were supposed to work together to make things comfortable for everyone? Why are you in here if you continually wish to impose your views on other people who really could care less.

We smoke, we vote, we are mothers, fathers, Viet Nam Vets, sisters and brothers. I don't know why you bring your hate in here. This IS a Conservative forum, not an hate filled anti smoking basher site.

If you want to spew your hate for smokers, I suggest you go to the Yahoo Chatrooms.

46 posted on 09/25/2002 8:31:34 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: dixie sass
Excuse me? I am not attacking anyone - personally or otherwise. I simply made a statement about someone that I met this past weekend. She and her friend both looked sickly and unhealthy

I was sticking UP for you to that other guy! I added your name so you wouldn't miss me sticking up for you.

47 posted on 09/25/2002 8:33:20 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: DonQ
It looks like you believe in government control of peoples lives, for any old reason........... It's none of your business or mine what people spend their own money on.
48 posted on 09/25/2002 8:46:05 AM PDT by Great Dane
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To: southernnorthcarolina
Frank died of a heart attack (but also had cancer, and had suffered multiple strokes).

After 83 years of doing exactly what he wanted to do. He didn't spend another 10 years lying around in diapers wondering who all those people around him were while his heart and lungs just kept on working.

49 posted on 09/25/2002 8:47:48 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: muir_redwoods
If fewer people are smoking, people who cater to crowds will adjust. Change is constant

I could agree with you, but the proof is in the pudding, here in Ottawa only 25% of the population smokes, August a year ago the City brought in a total smoking ban, contrary to your claim, business did not pick up again........ politicians are still pleading with non-smokers to please go out more, these are the non-smokers stating they would go out a lot more often, if restaurants and bars were smoke free.

50 posted on 09/25/2002 8:52:08 AM PDT by Great Dane
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To: SheLion
Conservatives were supposed to work together to make things comfortable for everyone? Why are you in here if you continually wish to impose your views on other people

Smokers don't make things comfortable for everyone and they not only impose their views but also the results of their habits on other people. Casinos stink even with the ventilation and you're correct...I do stay away from them.

51 posted on 09/25/2002 8:52:42 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: southernnorthcarolina
and Frank died of a heart attack (but also had cancer, and had suffered multiple strokes).

You forgot to mention that good old Frank was in his eighties, at that age something is going to get you, must admit, I don't remember how old Sammy was.

52 posted on 09/25/2002 8:55:11 AM PDT by Great Dane
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To: kcvl
Smokers don't make things comfortable for everyone

I don't know where you live that your exposed to cigarette smoke. But yes, you do have the right to refrain from going anywhere that makes you uncomfortable.

If your unhappy, why don't you approach the owner and suggest he go smoke free. See what his response would be to that. I think everyone should have a choice in this matter. But it should be made by the owner and not Big Government.

53 posted on 09/25/2002 8:58:19 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: MadisonA
What is the problem with letting the individual casinos decide if they want to go smoking or non?
54 posted on 09/25/2002 9:00:42 AM PDT by Bella_Bru
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To: SheLion
I'm willing to bet this new round of shit was brought on by the idiots that bring their kids to Vegas and want it to be even more safe and Disney-fied for them.
55 posted on 09/25/2002 9:02:46 AM PDT by Bella_Bru
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To: cinFLA
It's always a lie if it doesn't fit your view! I enjoy Vegas but not the smell/irritation of the smoke. They would get more playing time from me if they went smokelss.

My statement has nothing to do with my opinion, I live in a City with total ban, it has been in effect for well over a year, business has not recovered, and the politicians are still wringing their hands.

56 posted on 09/25/2002 9:03:01 AM PDT by Great Dane
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To: SheLion
If your unhappy, why don't you approach the owner and suggest he go smoke free. See what his response would be to that. I think everyone should have a choice in this matter. But it should be made by the owner and not Big Government.

You and I are in total agreement here. I am constantly telling people if they don't like it talk with the owner, instead of the government. I actually had one anti tell me that is just what he/she did but the owner wouldn't change the policy. so what did this person do, instead of finding another place to patronize, they contcted the local politicians to try and have it forced on everyone.

I have a very hard time with people who feel the government is the answer to all their problems. It has been my experience that when the government starts micro-managing all it does is cause more problems.

57 posted on 09/25/2002 9:05:30 AM PDT by Gabz
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To: Great Dane
Perhaps because smokers are not as tight fisted as non-smokers and actually spend money? I know smokers always leave better tips than non-smokers. Maybe it has something to do with not having sticks in our asses.
58 posted on 09/25/2002 9:05:48 AM PDT by Bella_Bru
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To: Bella_Bru
I'm willing to bet this new round of shit was brought on by the idiots that bring their kids to Vegas and want it to be even more safe and Disney-fied for them.

Well, I watched a Documentary a week ago about Las Vegas. They tried to make it Family Friendly, but the adults were tired of tripping over kids and strollers. They brought back the stippers with a vengence, and it's back to Adults only Sin City.

And did you read that if the Casinos don't go along with this, they will be in court? Sounds like a lot of strong arming going on, IMHO.

59 posted on 09/25/2002 9:06:00 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
First of all, the idiots that wanted to make Vegas so damn family friendly failed to understand that there needs to be at least one place ADULTS can go to and have ADULT fun.
60 posted on 09/25/2002 9:09:18 AM PDT by Bella_Bru
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