LAS VEGAS! Casino profits could go up in (no) smoke

PressAtlanticCity.com ^ | 24 September 2002 | JOE WEINERT

[Bella_Bru]

Regulate business? Regulating business is a favorite of the RATS. Are you a RAT? Why not allow the casinos themselves to decide? And if only one casino decides to go smoke free, than you can take your business there and withhold from the others. Isn't that better than government mommying you?

[cinFLA]

Oh, and out here, the "fight" is from the enviro- whackos who say that SUVs are bad for the air (i.e. Bad for you), so they need to make them less desirable for people to own by jacking up the taxes. If this is your idea of conservative, you are wrong.

The SUV's slip through a loop-hole that is driving them crazy. Trying to close this loop-hole is the fight! The "state" cannot usurp federal regulations so they are trying other tactics! Don't be mislead by the rhetoric and stick with the facts. Don't try to put words in my mouth. My idea of being a conservative ALSO means that I DO NOT distort the facts! That is a LIBERAL tactic you are employing! That does NOT give you the right to discredit my conservatism. I did NOT advocate additional restrictions/taxes on SUV's. Read, think, post!

[cinFLA]

The government does not have rights. People have rights. Governments are granted the authority to do a limited number of legitimate things by the people.

Perhaps you should reread the constitution!

[headsonpikes]

"Give me a break."

ROTFLMAO!!! Silly boy!

You 'outed' me on nothing. Either you are merely a deceitful troller, playing verbal games here to amuse yourself and your DU buddies, or a typical 'progressive and modern' American, willing to believe anything at all, provided it seems to be socially acceptable.

This would include, of course, whatever crap the Ministry of Truth is churning out these days.(tobacco statistics, for instance)

Hunch: You are a sucker on the taxpayer teat--one of those 'regulators'. ;^)

If not, why not? You don't have any moral compunctions about such meddling, apparently.

[Bella_Bru]

So you like "capitalism with regultion" then. Are you unable to vote with your feet? If The Bellagio allows smoking, but the Golden Nugget does not, what would be so hard about going to the casino that better fits your needs? Why do you need the government to do that for you?

[Liberal Classic]

I wrote:
The government does not have rights. People have rights. Governments are granted the authority to do a limited number of legitimate things by the people.

To which you replied:
Perhaps you should reread the constitution!

Perhaps you should read the consitituion.

[cinFLA]

How did we get from the right of business owners to conduct their business as they see fit, to a total repudiation of traffic law? I think we're getting into apple and orange territory.

This was a sub-thread dealing with Adam Smith. By regulating traffic laws, one is regulating commerce and a proprietors conduct of business.

[cinFLA]

How did we get from the right of business owners to conduct their business as they see fit, to a total repudiation of traffic law? I think we're getting into apple and orange territory.

You are wrong on all counts. You have shown yourself unable to engage in a discussion without name-calling and verbal abuse. Bye!

[Ajnin]

I've spent almost everyday of the last five years working with illegal aliens. I know what they look like, smell like, talk like and I know their mannerisms. Every single one I saw was either Mexican or Central American. They didn't talk to anybody because they don't speak any English. All they did was whistle and stick calling cards for prostitutes in everyone's face. If you have ever been to Mexicali, Juarez or Tijuana this is the exact same thing street vendors do when non-Spanish speaking tourists walk by.

You didn't even have to be a Border Patrol Agent like I am to tell that they were illegal. It was quite obvious. Many of the tourists around me commented on the illegals as well.

Unfortunately, the INS is not allowed to pick them up off the streets. Eventually, Las Vegas is going to have the same problems San Diego had before there was 2400 Border Patrol Agents to clean up the area. Vegas will have people doing drugs in the middle of the strip, in front of the hotels. Rapes and assaults will occurs on a nightly basis etc. Of course, I think the hotel owners in Vegas probably have a more inventive way of handling such problems than the Border Patrol:)

[cinFLA]

For your convenience:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

The constitution provides the powers to the government. Of course, it can be said that we have the ability to change the constitution therefore we are only giving the government the power therefore the government has no rights.

[cinFLA]

So you like "capitalism with regultion" then.

And what is wrong with "capitalism with regulation"?

[Bella_Bru]

Where does the regulation end? We have regulated some industries to the point that they leave the U.S. and move overseas to do their manufacturing. That isn't too good for our economy, now is it?

[Just another Joe]

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

Are you reading the same sentence the rest of us are?
This speaks of "powers" not "rights".

[cinFLA]

You 'outed' me on nothing. Either you are merely a deceitful troller, playing verbal games here to amuse yourself and your DU buddies, or a typical 'progressive and modern' American, willing to believe anything at all, provided it seems to be socially acceptable.

Sorry. I misquoted you on a previous quote by inserting the words of another in your place. The above is an example of the "crap" (I use a word from your post) you spew. BYE!

[cinFLA]

Are you reading the same sentence the rest of us are? This speaks of "powers" not "rights".

Please READ, THINK and then post. I addressed this issue in my very short two paragraph post!

[maxwell]

"The debate is clearly not about health as it is about social engineering to denormalize smoking."

Hey chickie... Bump for Free-Smoke-America... Funny what bandwagons folks get onto every so often. Don't people have anything better to do with their lives than run around trying to conform everybody else to some arbitrary "standard of living"? Geezus. Some people need to GET OVER THEMSELVES...

[cinFLA]

Where does the regulation end? We have regulated some industries to the point that they leave the U.S. and move overseas to do their manufacturing. That isn't too good for our economy, now is it?

Ah, the essence of capitalism and conservatism. Those businesses are "voting with their feet", to use a phrase from a previous post by you. And we have regulated some industries to an economic advantage in order to keep them in the country. Is that good when it means we have to pay higher prices? Regulation can be either good or bad and sometimes both at the same time. I am not trying to discuss the merits but trying to keep on topic from a challenge by another poster to discuss property rights as it applies in the regulation of business.

[Just another Joe]

Please READ, THINK and then post. I addressed this issue in my very short two paragraph post!

I did read, I did think, and I did post.
This thread is SUPPOSED to be about property owners rights, not the powers of the government.
Does the government have the POWER to regulate what a property owner does?
To a certain degree when the health of the GENERAL PUBLIC will be affected by something the propert owner does.
Again, for the large portion of the GENERAL PUBLIC ETS is no more than an annoyance.
So where should the power of the government be allowed to regulate this?
Are we talking about mob rule democracy? If we are, that ain't right and you still show yourself not in conservative light.

[Bella_Bru]

Yes, those businesses did vote with their feet, and left many workers here dry. And that is what over regulation did.

[cinFLA]

BYE!