Don't get fooled again

World Net Daily ^ | 22 August 2002 | Joseph Farrah

[Moby Grape]

It has ALREADY happened...in some states, the third party small percent was enough to give the election to the democrat, but the MOST damaging one so far was Ross Perot in 1992. Ross Perot did NOT take votes from democrats...all the post election data shows that Perot cost Bush the election, put a liberal socialist lying democrat in office with only 41% of the vote, gave us eight years of moral decay in the Administrative branch, massive judicial appointments, missle technology to China, and unchecked growth of terrorism....THANKS ROSS....thanks third parties.

[Sloth]

and the LP doesn't have a prayer of controlling either house of Congress, then you have to work within the existing parties to bring about the changes needed

I keep hearing this circular, illogical argument. Insisting that nobody should vote for X because nobody else votes for X is ridiculous. I suppose if the Dems and the Communists were the two major parties, you'd be telling us to vote for Ted Kennedy and Diane Feinstein.

[Badray]

"The "princilpled" LP may assure the final destruction of the Constitution by acting out their version of principle by assuring the socialist democrats finish the job (voting for marginal third party that take votes from those who DO have a chance of winning, or by not voting is not principled.)"

Let me see if I can understand this:

To save the Constitution and our priciples, we must compromise our principles and vote for those less evil (but still evil) who would derail the Constitution at a slower pace than the more evil opponent. How many election cycles will it take before there is no Constitution or principle left to compromise?

[borkrules]

You realize, of course, that you are wasting your time with these 3rd party morons.

I wonder how many of them have taken some of their evident enthusiasm and energy and put it to work at the county GOP party level, to influence in a conservative direction the ONLY political vehicle we have that has a prayer of effecting real change. I'm guessing none. It's far too morally satisfying to strike a "holier than thou" pose and avoid dirtying one's hands with the sometimes unpleasant work of actual political campaigning and electioneering.

[Badray]

"I am sorry, but I don't buy the load of crap that smoker's rights are more important than mine. No."

rw, it's not your rights or the smoker's right that are important. It is the rights of the property owner to decide how to run his business. There are resaurants that choose to cater to non-smokers. If your preference is a different restaurant that chooses to allow smoking, then you have a decision to make: Compromise and eat there or stand up for you rights and go to another restaurant.

America. What a country!

[inquest]

You're failing to make a critical distinction. Ross Perot was not a conservative, nor did he even try to make himself out to be one. The most he did was put a new flair on the same old anti-constituional ideology. I would not advocate voting for third parties just because they're third parties, but I do advocate voting for conservatives who respect the Constitution, even when there's a small risk involved in doing so. And it is a small risk because even if the Democrats end up winning some new posts, they won't be able to avoid the fact that the majority voted not only against them, but against their ideology. That has never happened, and it would be the beginning of a much more genuine change for the better.

[inquest]

You may have wanted to direct that comment to me. ItB's posts agreed with yours.

Anyway, the issue under discussion has nothing whatsoever to do with "avoiding dirtying one's hands with the sometimes unpleasant work of actual political campaigning and electioneering," but has everything to do with only supporting those candidates who support the Constitution. And incidentally, the reason that electioneering often involves such unpleasant dirtying of hands, is that too many candidates that people falsely feel like they have no other choice than to support, are themselves dirty and unpleasant. And that's not going to change unless people take a solid stand against it.

[inquest]

Permit me to suggest something slightly different for you to tell your associates: "If you don't complain, then you have no right to vote."

[Great Dane]

I am sorry, but I don't buy the load of crap that smoker's rights are more important than mine. No.

No one said more important, but as important.

[Dakmar]

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