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(Delaware) Smoking ban fires up opponets
The Delaware Business Ledger ^ | August 2002 | Diane Cook

Posted on 08/12/2002 8:54:20 AM PDT by Gabz

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To: nolajim
"...smokers...must be really bored..."

On the plus side, by staying at home, smokers don't have to endure the sight of gloating sanctimonious twits.
61 posted on 08/12/2002 4:42:50 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: GoldMan
They are passing law with flawed arguments.

Yes they are. And Representative Stone's comment about breathing clean air is particularly funny for anyone who lives in or has ever visited Northern Delaware - the Chemical Capitol of the World!!!

But beyond the "rights" issue, the legislation itself was flawed just based upon the openning language which includes such doozies as:

WHEREAS, Secondhand smoke has been classified by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as a known cause of cancer in humans (group a carcinogen);

This was thrown out in Court.

WHEREAS, exposure to secondhand smoke by children leads to decreased lung function, asthma, pneumonia, ear infections, bronchitis and even sudden infant death syndrome;

It MIGHT, there is no definitive proof.

WHEREAS, Delaware has the second highest lung cancer mortality rate in the country;

While this is true, there is no proof it is because of smoking - not one IOTA of proof. As I mentioned, Delawar is considered the Chemical Capitol of the World. additionally we have at least 2 world reknowned Cancer treatment centers here, and finally cancer is generally a disease of aging and Delaware has become a popular retirement area.

But my favorite of the WHEREAS's is :

WHEREAS, Prohibiting smoking in public places and the workplace increases public awareness of the negative health effects of smoking and reduces the social acceptability of smoking and protects children and other nonsmokers;

SPECIFIC proof this legislation is nothing more than pure social engineering.

62 posted on 08/12/2002 4:43:45 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: nolajim
In many areas I know it to be a fact and their non-smoking friends join them as well.

Did you ever think that great food does not have to eaten in a restaurant. There are lots of great home cooks.

I rarely go out to eat anymore, and it has nothing to do with smoking bans - and my friends all love coming here, smokers and non-smokers. I love to cook and there is never anything BORING about an evening in my house.

I have lots of friends in California enjoying the same pleasures.

63 posted on 08/12/2002 4:48:33 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: finnman69
That picture is soooo sexy.....NOT!

Oh so sorry. How about this one? Does this one look more like you?


65 posted on 08/12/2002 4:56:10 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: Gabz
"Smoking ban legislation has been around for 20 years," Gilligan says. "It’s been debated for decades.

Slavery laws were around for centuries and debated even longer than that. That didn't make it right.

I'd like to ask the anti smoking police what happens to the eight hundred pound tax gorilla they created if smoking does go away. It's not going to disappear but will have to get it's tax dollar fix somewhere else. Most likely from something that will make the nico nazis pay throught the nose too. How does six dollars for a gallon gas sound to you?

66 posted on 08/12/2002 5:01:46 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: SheLion
While I'm not advocating violating state dumping laws, it would be pretty neat if someone just happened to deposit 1000 cartons or so worth of empties cigarette packs right in front of that sign.
67 posted on 08/12/2002 5:11:00 PM PDT by Freemeorkillme
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To: nolajim
Non-Smoking sections and non-smoking restaurants make more money

You are SO wrong!

Smoking Bans Bad For Business

Here's your proof!

68 posted on 08/12/2002 5:16:43 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: nolajim
The problem is that you apparently believe that that legislatures have a right to stick their lawyer noses into other people's lives.

And I find the stench of this Soviet-style legislation worse than that of cigarettes.

No, we should have no 'special accommodations', as you so charitably put it, for smokers.

We should have some 'special accommodations ' for the socialist b*stards who plot this sh*t!
69 posted on 08/12/2002 5:16:51 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: nolajim
The problem for smokers is that as their numbers decrease their power to positively impact legislation decreases

Not true. When the anti-smoker organizations came marching into Delaware they were very well funded with millions upon millions of dollars from the pharmaceutical companies and Foundations such as Robert wood Johnson.

One California anti-smoker organization, which gets much funding from these group, sent emails and letters to their memebers in Delaware telling them to contact legislators and the media - but to NOT mention their affilitation with the group.

The smokers in Delaware and everywhere else are people like me, just everyday citizens who try their very best to do what they can with what they have, which is what is in their own pocket. The power of the lies of the anti-smoker groups is such that people who have known me for years actually believed that I was being paid by a tobacco company. I'm a housewife with a 4 year old, and my sole source of income is my husband's salary.

Anti-smokers are very small minority, smaller than the smokers you so like to disdain. Yes there are more non-smokers than smokers, but in general this issue does not even register as a blip on their radar.

It is anti-smokers that are getting the special accommodations, at the expense of the business owners of this nation.

70 posted on 08/12/2002 5:34:35 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: SheLion
OOOOOOOOOOoo That picture is so VILE.

The way I figure it, Teddy has depleated the coffers of old Jack bailing out all the Kennedy kin from one scrape or another with the law.

Well we know old Jack made the family fortune through bootlegging during Prohibition. I figure the reason old Teddy is so on the anti-smoker ban(d) wagon is that he needs to replenish the coffers and is going to further follow in Daddy's footsteps.

71 posted on 08/12/2002 5:39:07 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: Freemeorkillme; SheLion
HMMMMMMMM, scratching head - you're giving me an idea for another graphic!!!!
72 posted on 08/12/2002 5:42:37 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: Gabz
OOOOOOOOOOoo That picture is so VILE.

He sure IS vile. Not only to look at, but he put a bill in this week to have tobacco regulated by the FDA. He's a pig!

73 posted on 08/12/2002 5:44:03 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: Gabz
HMMMMMMMM, scratching head - you're giving me an idea for another graphic!!!!

Yeaaaaaaaaa Bring it on, Gabz!!!

74 posted on 08/12/2002 5:44:48 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: antivenom; bobbyd; BurFred; BUSHdude2000; Ditter; dix; DrewsDad; Eaker; eastforker; Ellouise; ...
If I pay for an airline ticket from where ever you are to Houston will you allow me to pick you up at the airport??

I promise you will not be poked. However, the ticket will be one-way as that is all that you will need.

If you think I am kidding then try me, bitch. Anyone who wants to curtail other's rights IS a LIBERAL!!!!


Stay safe; stay armed.

If you want off of my Houston ping list please let me know by Freepmail.

75 posted on 08/12/2002 6:02:54 PM PDT by Eaker
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To: Gabz

76 posted on 08/12/2002 6:27:44 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
You're right he is a pig and his pet lap dog is the Senior US sInator from Delaware - Joe BiNLAden.

Is it any wonder I am working to get Ray Clatworthy elected???

77 posted on 08/12/2002 6:30:42 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: Eaker
Heee Heeee!


78 posted on 08/12/2002 8:12:17 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Born to Conserve
You want to know something? You are just plain rude.

I suspect you love to "conserve" trees, owls, insects. Too bad you can't understand the ramifications of conserving some of the rights of your neighbors.

And don't forget - When those smokers are forced to quit, you and your "perfect" friends will be expected to cough up massive amounts of tax revenue - to make up for the shortfall.

(And NO... I am NOT a smoker. Let's just say I have better manners than you.)
79 posted on 08/12/2002 10:15:13 PM PDT by Humidston
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To: Gabz
I don't smoke anymore, but give me a boozy smoker any day over the thin-lipped, tight-arsed anti-smoking zealots.
80 posted on 08/12/2002 10:36:47 PM PDT by avenir
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