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To: Just another Joe
Name me one thing, anything, that you believe or know to cause cancer, any type of cancer. I'd help you out with a few suggestions, but I want to know if you can come up with any. You can have any source, or info, or none but your personal experience or education. The floor is open. Does anything bring on any type of cancer?

Thanks.

173 posted on 07/18/2002 6:50:54 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Chemicals, radiation, and viruses are mainly responsible for causing changes in DNA that lead to cancer, but do so by different mechanisms.

Chemicals capable of producing mutations are both naturally-occurring and synthetic, and are found in the environment, food, and water supply, or have been used as drugs

Radiation (often referred to as "ionizing radiation"). If the mutated cells do not die, they may become transformed and eventually cause cancer (as in the skyrocketing incidence of leukemia after the atomic bomb was dropped on Japan).

Viruses can inflict damage by inserting themselves into the DNA of an appropriate host cell, also known as its "genome", to cause cancer.

There are, I'm sure, many things that COULD cause cancers of various types.
I can't prove a negative. IOW, I can't prove that SHS DOESN'T cause cancer. It is on the anti-smokers heads to prove that it DOES.

176 posted on 07/18/2002 7:11:03 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
I offer my symapthy and understanding to you and your family regarding your relative that now has cancer.

I know what that's like. My mother died from lung cancer in 1984 at the age of 47. It was a devastating loss. But she never smoked a cigarette in her life. She was not exposed to second hand smoke. Nor did she ever drink a drop of alchohol. She lived in a farm environment, and largely had a diet of mostly unprocessed healthy organic locally grown foods.

So why in the world did she get cancer? It seems so unfair. The only thing resembling a vice was she was a big Pepsi drinker. So maybe we should ban soda pop. And it is marketed strongly to CHILDREN!! There is no denying that it isn't good for you, yet many kids today drink more soda than water. Some of your comrades in the war against smoking do in fact have their eye on the soft drink industry already.

Actually, the way I believe my mother got cancer was from the medical profession itself. I'll not get too deeply into details here, but she was given a radiation cocktail by a specialist to treat a thyroid problem, and that is what gave her cancer, IMO

Meanwhile, our neighbor smoked a pack and a half of non filtered Pall-Mall's every day his entire life, worked his farm into his 80's, was never hospitalized for illness, and lived to the age of 97. Go figure.

Cancer is usually caused by a combination of things. Second hand smoke may be a contributing factor, but that alone is likely not the cause. If a doctor is telling you it is, well, I have not anything positive to say about him.

The anti smoking crusaders have for years presented deceptive, unproven and exaggeerated information regarding SHS. Why should one trust these people who lie?

The following quote is from the President of the American Council on Science and Health in New York, who certainly does not approve of smoking.

"By exaggerating, the Coalition [for a Smoke-Free New York ] only serves to give ammunition to those who are both generally skeptical of public health "meddling," and to those who maintain that health advocates, motivated by "the end justifies the means" philosophy, frequently play quick and dirty with the facts in an attempt to justify the interventions they want . When they see an ad like the one the Coalition ran this week, these critics of public health may rush to defend existing smoking policies in restaurants and bars.

"Public health policy is best advanced by policies that stick closely to the scientific facts—while recognizing that the best way to lose a legitimate argument is to overstate and exaggerate it."
Warning: Overstating the Case Against Secondhand Smoke is Unnecessary—and Harmful to Public Health Policy

The main issue between smokers and non should be respect for one another. Legislation is not the answer and everyone should realize that the do gooders will not end their "protect you from yourself" campaign with smoking.

They're coming for you next. Conservatives who hate smoking should still oppose legislation.

Smoking is certainly not good for anyone. But, on the other hand, this is not mustard gas we're talking about either, as some anti-smoking groups would like the public to believe. Your right to breathe clean air exists until you step onto private proerty, and then it is superseded by the property owners rights to do what he wishes with his property. You have the right to turn around and take your business elsewhere if you so choose.

There are always going to be rude people...who cut in line at the movies or cut you off in traffic or insensitive smokers versus nonsmokers... this is the exception not the rule. Legislation is gasoline on the fire. It will end up burning non-smokers as well.

183 posted on 07/18/2002 8:45:33 AM PDT by kcpopps
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Does anything bring on any type of cancer?

Yes, the heartburn and aggravation brought on by putting up with One-Note-Charlies like Illbay, lewislynn and you causes cancer in lab rats and humans.

205 posted on 07/18/2002 11:41:40 AM PDT by metesky
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