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California: Is this 1994 redux? An unpopular governor looks for an ugly win
Sacramento Bee ^ | July 16, 2002 | Dan Walters

Posted on 07/16/2002 9:40:03 AM PDT by John Jorsett

Edited on 04/12/2004 5:40:52 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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1 posted on 07/16/2002 9:40:03 AM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
FYI
2 posted on 07/16/2002 9:40:20 AM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: John Jorsett
This year will be more like 1966.
3 posted on 07/16/2002 9:45:32 AM PDT by Jimbaugh
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To: John Jorsett
Last week, the Wall Street Journal revealed that Simon is one of a number of people who participated in offshore tax shelters that the Internal Revenue Service believes may be illegal.

HOW THE F@@K WAS SIMON SUPPOSED TO KNOW IT WAS ILLEGAL IF KPMG SOLD IT TO HIM!

4 posted on 07/16/2002 9:54:22 AM PDT by evolved_rage
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To: *calgov2002
Index Bump
5 posted on 07/16/2002 9:58:43 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: John Jorsett
BeeDoo BUMP...
6 posted on 07/16/2002 10:03:06 AM PDT by tubebender
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To: John Jorsett
If this were truly an objective piece, the author might have at least mentioned the eight other polls (including one Field poll) showing "Simple Simon" leading Davis.
7 posted on 07/16/2002 10:21:40 AM PDT by Coop
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I'm in the Los Angeles area, and I see Simon's ads on TV all the time. I just saw the Rudy Giuliani spot a little while ago.

8 posted on 07/16/2002 10:49:17 AM PDT by Tony in Hawaii
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To: John Jorsett
I think Davis will win, because of the illegal alien vote.
9 posted on 07/16/2002 2:42:40 PM PDT by boris
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To: John Jorsett
I don't buy any of this. Brown beat herself in 1994. She stopped doing ads a week before the election. Wilson was strong enough to entertain running for President and maybe he would have been a stronger candidate than Dole.
10 posted on 07/16/2002 7:50:25 PM PDT by altair
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To: John Jorsett; Free the USA; Carry_Okie; SierraWasp; Gophack; eureka!; ElkGroveDan; ...
Thanks for the article and the ping!

Thanks to "Free the USA" for getting it on the list.

How about the Strawberries for Capt Davis .

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11 posted on 07/17/2002 12:59:18 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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12 posted on 07/17/2002 3:36:38 AM PDT by JustAmy
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To: Gophack
Bill Simon, seems to be stuck in first gear -- unable to present a consistent, coherent argument why his replacing Davis would make Californians happier.

And that's the truth. It doesn't take money. It takes vision and communications skills.

It isn't up to Simon to point out Davis' failures. They're obvious. The problem is that the "professionals" lack imagination or sufficient understanding of conservative principles to produce and sell a positive message to swing voters. If we don't come up with those alternatives and get the public to understand them, we deserve to lose. They exist.

We are all getting damned tired of excuses and promises from the campaign that it will all come out after Labor Day. That's too late to explain creative ideas and TV isn't the way to get them out cost effectively. We have a unique opportunity because of the protracted nature of this campaign and we are blowing it.

13 posted on 07/17/2002 6:51:09 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
I sure hope you're mistaken, but my gut tells me you're not!

The old adage is... "In every encounter, a sale is made... Either I sell you a good idea, or you sell me on why it's no good!"

People advising/running his campaign, like old warriors, are trying to run it like campaigns of the past. We've never had this lengthy of a Guber campaign before, as you correctly point out.

There's an "opportunity cost" for not at least trying something new and different in these strange circumstances. Anything to catch the people's imagination!

14 posted on 07/17/2002 7:55:16 AM PDT by SierraWasp
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To: Carry_Okie
We have a unique opportunity because of the protracted nature of this campaign and we are blowing it.

Let's not forget that traditionally, campaigns gear up after labor day. To date, Simon has been holding onto his cash and letting the bad news about Dufus fester in the press. It's summer now, and only the political junkies are paying much attention. This class, on both sides (including, of course, we at FR), have already made up their minds. Advertising now would be a waste of cash. Come September, the control rods will be pulled by both sides, and the meda will of course fall behind Dufus and attack Simon full force. The best that California Republicans can do now is: 1) Contribute to Simon's campaign; and 2) Contact Simon's campaign to find out how to help in your locality.

15 posted on 07/17/2002 8:23:13 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Oh, you mean the kind of conventional wisdumb got Ed Zschau and Matt Fong elected? No thanks. All TV is really good for is to reinforce impressions and place doubts. It's expensive and a very poor medium for selling ideas compared to the Internet. People already have doubts about Davis. We have to sell ideas to win this thing and they have to be refined and tested to be certain that they will work for swing voters. Convince their leaders through the net and Davis campaign will hit a wall of understood alternatives built brick by brick.

The "Shut up, give us money, and we professionals will show you" story is crap. It is EXACTLY what I was talking about. It didn't work for Riordan.
16 posted on 07/17/2002 8:34:28 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: John Jorsett; ElkGroveDan
A Field Poll released last week underscored Simon's quandary. While California voters, the poll found, are no more inclined to like, trust or re-elect Davis than they were a year ago -- less so, in fact -- he continues to lead Simon simply because they are getting bad vibes from the challenger, thanks to his own miscues and a drumbeat of negative ads from the Davis camp.

We have nearly four months before the election and THE AVERAGE VOTER is NOT focusing on the campaign. We -- including Dan Walters who lives and breathes politics -- look for instant information in an instant information age.

The fact is, Davis' negatives are high and haven't dropped. Simon DOES need to give the voters a reason to vote for him, but they have to be LISTENING. For the umpteenth time, I'll point out that EVERYONE said Simon waited too long in the primary to attack Riordan, go on t.v., radio, etc., etc. and he couldn't possibly make it up.

Simon won by nearly 19 points.

It would have been foolhardy to go on television or radio during the Christmas season, as some people argued. It is foolhardy to waste resources in the summer when people are on vacation, kids are out of school, people are watching less television, and generally not thinking about the election.

Simon is doing things right. Davis is keeping his negatives high because he's a liberal and now everyone is realizing it. After Labor Day, Simon should come out with positive ads, and more of the anti-Davis humorous ads that were playing across the state.

Notice, fellow Freepers, that Davis ran $4 million of ads that ushered in a five point DROP in his popularity. They have been pulled. I believe he ran to ads to entice Simon into wasting his money. Davis has more money and will always have more money because he shakes down businesses and unions for contributions -- pay-to-play. I'm glad Simon didn't fall for the trap.

Eight weeks is MORE than enough time to win the election when people are LISTENING.

Go Simon!

17 posted on 07/17/2002 9:30:35 AM PDT by Gophack
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
The best that California Republicans can do now is: 1) Contribute to Simon's campaign; and 2) Contact Simon's campaign to find out how to help in your locality.

I agree! We need to be working locally. That's what grassroots is all about. Working in our neighborhoods, in our churches, with our family, etc., etc.

I have a Bill Simon t-shirt from the primary that I wear on the weekends when I go out. Every time I leave the house, someone makes positive comments on Simon, or says something like, "Is he running against Davis? I'll vote for him." The sentiment is ripe for conversion, and it's up to us to be supportive of Simon in public.

In fact, I've been seeing more and more Simon bumperstickers on cars, and the ONLY Davis bumper sticker I have seen was at the Capitol. I went to the gym two nights ago and saw two cars (that I didn't recognize!) with Simon stickers. In the grocery store parking lot last week I saw one car with a Simon sticker.

Anyway, my point is it is up to US, the grassroots, to spread the message.

Dump Davis! Vote for Simon!

18 posted on 07/17/2002 9:34:35 AM PDT by Gophack
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To: SierraWasp
There's an "opportunity cost" for not at least trying something new and different in these strange circumstances. Anything to catch the people's imagina

Check out Simon's ads ... they are new and different and received much attention. My favorite is "MAIDS"

Simon Campaign Ads

19 posted on 07/17/2002 9:36:09 AM PDT by Gophack
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To: Gophack
Such negative advertising may be cute, but is doesn't communicate why Simon is any better. Many people are skeptical about Simon's credibility and depth. You don't win them over with negatives.
20 posted on 07/17/2002 10:37:29 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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