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U.S. Backs Down From Immunity Demand
abc ^ | 7/10/02

Posted on 07/10/2002 7:58:44 PM PDT by knak

UNITED NATIONS July 10 — The United States on Wednesday backed off from its demand for permanent immunity for U.S. peacekeepers from the new war crimes tribunal, proposing instead a ban on any investigation of its peacekeepers for a year.

In the face of intense criticism from countries around the world, including close allies, U.S. Ambassador John Negroponte circulated the new proposal to the U.N. Security Council after an open council meeting.

The United States earlier had threatened to end U.N. peacekeeping if it didn't get open-ended immunity for peacekeepers from countries that have not ratified the Rome treaty establishing the court, which came into existence on July 1. The treaty has been signed by 139 countries and ratified by 76, including all 15 members of the European Union.

The United States has been demanding immunity on grounds that other countries could use the new court for frivolous and politically motivated prosecutions of American soldiers. The position has put the Bush administration at odds with its closest allies and the rest of the world.

The new draft U.S. resolution asks the court for a 12-month exemption from investigation or prosecution of peacekeepers and "expresses the intention to renew the request ... for further 12 month periods for as long as may be necessary."

Many Security Council members said the new U.S.-proposed resolution didn't go far enough. Nonetheless, they called the mood positive and said for the first time the United States appeared willing to negotiate.

Britain's U.N. Ambassador Jeremy Greenstock, the current council president, called the U.S. proposal "a fair basis for discussion" and said consultations would continue on Thursday.

At the open council meeting, ambassadors from nearly 40 countries criticized the U.S. demand for immunity, saying it would affect peacekeeping and stability from the Balkans to Africa. Only India offered some sympathy to the U.S. position.

Canada's U.N. Ambassador Paul Heinbecker, who requested the open meeting, warned that the United States was putting the credibility of the Security Council, the legality of international treaties, and the principle that all people are equal and accountable before the law at stake.

Washington last month vetoed a six-month extension of the 1,500-strong U.N. police training mission in Bosnia and a yearlong extension of the authorization for the 18,000-strong NATO-led peacekeeping force and then gave the missions two reprieves, the latest until July 15.

Its argument of the fear of politically motivated prosecutions was rejected by speakers from the European Union, Latin America, Africa and Asia who countered that the Rome treaty had sufficient safeguards to prevent. First and foremost, the court will step in only when states are unwilling or unable to dispense justice for war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide.

The draft U.S. resolution makes no mention of immunity.

Under the U.S. proposal, any peacekeeper who was exempt from investigation or prosecution for a year could then be investigated and prosecuted if the exemption was not renewed though no U.N. peacekeeper has ever been charged with a war crime.

"We have for one year a total freedom," said Richard Grenell, spokesman for the U.S. Mission, who said this was sufficient time to bring any American suspect home, thus out of reach of the court.

"What we have been focused on is ensuring that American men and women are not within the reach of the International Criminal Court," he said. "What we have been able to offer today ... (is) that for a period of 12 months they would have that immunity."

But the U.S. draft still raises serious questions for some council members.

The Rome treaty allows the Security Council to request a 12-month deferral of investigation or prosecution by the court on a case-by-case basis.

Diplomats said some council members argued that the U.S. draft would change the statute's intent by giving blanket deferral to peacekeepers.

"It's a very positive attitude on the part of the U.S. to bring a new text which is a step in the right direction," said Mauritius' U.N. Ambassador Jagdish Koonjul, a council member. "I think we are getting closer."

Colombia's U.N. Ambassador Alfonso Valdivieso, also a council member, called the U.S. draft "an improvement" because it was not "in perpetuity."

But both said the blanket deferral for peacekeepers was still an issue.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: icc; un; unlist; worldcourt
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To: knak
This was the first story I saw this morning on my news.. what a crappy way to wake up! I'm so angry I could spit nails.. I can't believe what this country has turned into.
161 posted on 07/11/2002 8:44:23 AM PDT by goodieD
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
The more things change, the more they stay the same....

See your new Bubba? He's the same as your old Bubba.

162 posted on 07/11/2002 8:46:01 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: Freedom4US
we could only shoot at snipers if we could see and identify them as an enemy combatant. I pointed out that by definition, a sniper can't be seen.

What was the reply to your correct statement?

163 posted on 07/11/2002 8:48:48 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: Demidog
The latest Congressional bill authorizing pilots to carry firearms in the cockpit was voted on over Bush's objections

I'm glad SOMEBODY brought this up! But I'm sure the Bushbots have a good explanation for that one too.. Look, I voted for the man, I'm a registered Republican (beginning to be sorry about that), I am losing more and more faith in him every single day. I don't like this attitude of backing the guy that can win because he's less bad than a leftist would be. Hey, better the devil you know eh?

164 posted on 07/11/2002 8:56:25 AM PDT by goodieD
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To: Woodman
Funny, I heard him say that it WAS geared so that MINORITIES could buy more houses..oh..and how about millions for African AIDS? oh..and being against arming pilots... as I have asked before..how long will you have to keep explaining his actions? Yes, he's the best we've got right now, but frankly, it's not enough for me.
165 posted on 07/11/2002 9:01:18 AM PDT by goodieD
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To: All
A link to the FR thread 2 years ago when Clinton signed on to the War Crimes Court: some historical perspective.
166 posted on 07/11/2002 9:17:02 AM PDT by demlosers
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To: Reagan Man
Well, it seems they need their 'hate Bush' fix no matter what the facts. Pity isn't it?
167 posted on 07/11/2002 9:24:47 AM PDT by OldFriend
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To: bok
You know, that Alex Jones, though his opinions have almost always been viewed as being "off the wall", it appears that his claims have come true. Is it coincidence or a willingness to see a "conspiracy"?
168 posted on 07/11/2002 10:07:55 AM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: Woodman
Wasn't it Bush, though, who was playing a classic game of class warfare with his speech about "less than _% of black Americans not owning their own homes, but white Americans owning at a much higher percentage"?
169 posted on 07/11/2002 10:10:25 AM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: knak
Bill Clinton: Chief Justice of the War Crimes Tribunal.
170 posted on 07/11/2002 10:13:45 AM PDT by The Iguana
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To: FreedomFriend
Is it truely class warfare when you are trying to appeal to a class that is at war with you vs. trying to create a larger war though devision?
171 posted on 07/11/2002 10:15:00 AM PDT by Woodman
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To: UnBlinkingEye
Check out how many support the "Global Economy". Also how many view America first economic policies as being reactionary.

It's sad. I'm of the opinion that the free-traders, globalists, etc. care about nothing more than corporate profit, and are labeling it as a conservative exercise of free markets (though, we know that's not what is really going on). Either that or they're misinformed on the issue.

172 posted on 07/11/2002 10:20:04 AM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: goldstategop
Its not enough. A future President sympathetic to the ICC can simply cease asking for an exemption. Congress has to write a ban of the ICC's jurisdiction on ANY American into law so another President won't be able to claim that America's abeyance from the ICC Treaty was just a policy decision of his predecessor.

My thoughts exactly. I said that to my husband last night. Something needs to be done here to stop Hillary or Al or whoever the next dem president is from joining up with the ICC or conveniently forgeting to renew the extension. Total immunity was my first choice.

But apparently a lot of folks here think we are just either not reading and comprehending the story or we are looking to bash Bush. I read it and completely understand the story. I want the US to have safeguards in place. Not just a "renewable" agreement. I realize this could be the first step in doing that also; to keep allies happy.

I'm glad someone agrees with me.

173 posted on 07/11/2002 10:22:37 AM PDT by knak
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To: Woodman
Bush could have left the comment out. You know it. It wasn't necessary.
174 posted on 07/11/2002 10:41:36 AM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: CdMGuy
I am inclined to believe the news media doesn't know what's going on concerning the ICC negotiations, other than what they have managed to glean from the DNC or the UN operatives.

I'll reserve judgment on Bush and the Congress decision until I hear it from the horse's mouth.

Concerning your personal attacks on the President you give me the impression you've never voted for Bush so we really haven't lost anything. Hitch your vote to fickle men such as Jeffords or McCain, they are also switching to Independent. Do you really believe you would receive better for your vote? They have all proven til now it's all about their standing-the people's wishes be damned.
175 posted on 07/11/2002 10:52:32 AM PDT by swheats
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To: gramho12
If you are so sure, are you willing to go in place of the first American indicted?
176 posted on 07/11/2002 10:56:44 AM PDT by StriperSniper
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To: All
updated story:

US softens stance - from the UN site

177 posted on 07/11/2002 11:27:06 AM PDT by knak
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178 posted on 07/11/2002 12:22:15 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: ThomasJefferson
When faced with facts supporting the notion that Republicans are Democratic twins

See, right off the bat you got me laughing and made it difficult for me to go any further. Antonin Scalia is a "twin" of Stephen Breyer; Ron Paul is a "twin" of Bernie Sanders; Rick Santorum is a "twin" of Patrick Leahy; Ann Coulter is a "twin" of Eleanor Clift; etc.

I truly believe that you "not-a-dimes-worth-of-difference" people don't realize how utterly stupid you sound. But, hey, I guess I should be happy that at least you're not Democrats anymore.

179 posted on 07/11/2002 12:23:16 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: FreedomFriend
True, I know it. Some people demand it and sometimes you have to play the game.
180 posted on 07/11/2002 12:30:01 PM PDT by Woodman
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