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Citizens for Healthy Michigan Will Fight Big Tobacco/Blames all on the Politicians
Yahoo News ^ | 24 June 2002 | Citizens for a Healthy Michigan

Posted on 06/24/2002 12:40:13 PM PDT by SheLion

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Maybe Maine and MN will turn around as well.
1 posted on 06/24/2002 12:40:17 PM PDT by SheLion
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It warms one’s heart to see the thieves turn on each other when it gets to diving up the take.
2 posted on 06/24/2002 12:47:19 PM PDT by Kerberos
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I love it! I hope both of the parties involved rip each others heads off and crap down the others neck.

This was an ill plan to begin with, and now they're eating their own....I love it!

PUFF! PUFF!

FMCDH

3 posted on 06/24/2002 12:47:45 PM PDT by nothingnew
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To: *puff_list; Just another Joe; Gabz; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; Tumbleweed_Connection; red-dawg; ...
I can't believe this! Now the Coalition is blaming the Politicians, when these Coalitions have had their fingers in the pot as well for pet programs.

LOL! They are blaming the Politicians. heh!

Just like Partnership for a Tobacco Free Maine sponsoring "5" race teams across the state of Maine. Go figure.

Oh! I forgot: this is MICHIGAN.

4 posted on 06/24/2002 12:47:49 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: Kerberos
I KNOW IT. THEY ARE BLAMING THE POLITICIANS!!!

HAHA!!!! THIS IS GREAT!

5 posted on 06/24/2002 12:49:08 PM PDT by SheLion
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"Now we need to protect it in the constitution, just like so many other vital public services are protected in the constitution.

Uhmmm, what Constitution is that?

FMCDH

6 posted on 06/24/2002 12:56:04 PM PDT by nothingnew
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"THIS IS GREAT! "

Actually I am glad to see this getting some coverage. There have been some articles as to how almost none of this money that they confiscated, in any of the states, is going to what was the alleged intended purpose of it. But most of it has been on the back burner.

Personally I think this should be considered criminal on the part of the politicians involved in it. But unfortunately I don't know how you would get such an action going.

7 posted on 06/24/2002 12:58:36 PM PDT by Kerberos
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To: SheLion
Hey Citizens For A Healthy Michigan....Just ban Tobacco. Walk the talk. These tobacco crusade groups and the ilk they conspire with remind me of that Rumsfeld comment about feeding the aligator, hoping he eats you last.

Bon apetite Mr. Gator.

8 posted on 06/24/2002 12:59:59 PM PDT by blackdog
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Why don't you contact one of those billionare lawyers who made this mess. I am sure they would represent you in a class action claim against the states who have lied at every turn regarding the purpose of these funds. ;o)
9 posted on 06/24/2002 1:06:23 PM PDT by blackdog
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Personally I think this should be considered criminal on the part of the politicians involved in it. But unfortunately I don't know how you would get such an action going.

With the Tobacco Settlement Money, Big Tobacco didn't tell the states how to spend the money. But it was thought that it was to go for education and health care.

When the Politicians in each state saw the big dollar signs, they started feeding at the Tobacco Settlement Trough for their pet programs that had nothing to do with smoking.

Looks like they are starting to turn on each other over this now. Should get interesting.


10 posted on 06/24/2002 1:07:29 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
The tobacco lawsuits were never really about health care, anti-smoking education, or even tobacco itself. They were merely an exploration by the states of the exciting new concept of taxation by lawsuit.
11 posted on 06/24/2002 1:20:32 PM PDT by per loin
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But,but,but, they're stealing my special interest money...

/sarcasm off

12 posted on 06/24/2002 1:34:37 PM PDT by ozone1
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No doubt. I'd like to see the tobacco giants refuse to sell tobacco in any state that sued them.
13 posted on 06/24/2002 2:42:37 PM PDT by Indrid Cold
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"Why don't you contact one of those billionare lawyers who made this mess. I am sure they would represent you in a class action claim"

Yeah right, when pigs fly.

14 posted on 06/24/2002 2:52:55 PM PDT by Kerberos
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Actually I am glad to see this getting some coverage. There have been some articles as to how almost none of this money that they confiscated, in any of the states, is going to what was the alleged intended purpose of it. But most of it has been on the back burner.

I live in Michigan and this is NOT good news. This is part of the socialist agenda no matter how nice it sounds. The folks behind this want as much government as possible, funded with the highest taxes, regardless of the merit or effectiveness of the programs. Many of the states did not ask for this issue, and the $ went to where our elected folks thought found money should go.

Anyway, Cig taxes are so important to the states' budgets that they can't wean themselves from it. But that is different from the ballot iniative, which is bad news in guise of a saving grace.

15 posted on 06/24/2002 4:01:37 PM PDT by DmBarch
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DmBarch, I know here in Maine, these Coalition's are evil!

I can't believe the one in Michigan is blaming everything on the Politicians! They are both feeding out of the honey pot of the Tobacco Settlement Money.

I know here in Maine, the Health Coalition is spending this money to sponsor "5" race car teams across the state.

I really came unglued when I read this. They don't hide it, either. They are proud of slapping the smoker in the face. They are all without shame.

16 posted on 06/24/2002 4:15:10 PM PDT by SheLion
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"This is part of the socialist agenda no matter how nice it sounds. "

No kidding.

But my point was that the argument that was put forth by the socialist's as to why they should get these settlements from the tobacco companies, in addition to the regressive tax that has been levied against smokers, was that they needed the revenue to cover the increased health care cost that are caused by people who smoke. And of course the need to implement programs to discourage teenagers from taking up the smoking habit.

But the fact is that almost none of this money is going towards achieving those objectives. I live in Indiana and I believe we are ranked in the top five states this is actually using some of the money for these goals, but the fact is that we have spent less than 10% towards health care cost, or teenage education programs.

The truth is that this money is going to support whatever is the popular socialist program of the moment and next to none of it is going to what it was allegedly intended for.

17 posted on 06/24/2002 4:17:09 PM PDT by Kerberos
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cough.
18 posted on 06/24/2002 4:17:18 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: SheLion
These idiots are flooded with cigarette money, and still fighting over the spoils, that shows what it is all about, it is and always was 'THE MONEY,'
19 posted on 06/24/2002 6:35:48 PM PDT by Great Dane
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Special interest groups and politicians who raided Michigan's tobacco settlement from health care and smoking prevention today tried to justify their mistake by attacking a coalition that will ask voters on Nov. 5 to dedicate the tobacco money to health care.

What a crock! There is not one politician who actually thought the settlements were going to fund Michigan's health care. Not in Michigan and not in any other damn state either! What we are now seeing is election year "CYA and get yer name in the news"!

They're getting all the money they will ever get by existing taxes and guaranteed future tax increases....

FWIW, the Indian reservations are making a fortune as will the black marketeers.....

20 posted on 06/24/2002 6:41:02 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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