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Conservatives Angered by Environmental Provision [Bush pulls another Al Gore]
The Washington Times ^ | June 18, 2002 | Audrey Hudson and Amy Fagan

Posted on 06/18/2002 9:35:38 AM PDT by Spiff

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:54:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Admin Moderator
Please remove post #89. I am getting complaints that it is messing up peoples attempts to reply.

Thanks
161 posted on 06/19/2002 7:21:25 AM PDT by madfly
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To: madfly; John Robinson
Done.

John, you may want to look at what madfly said here regarding post 89.

162 posted on 06/19/2002 7:24:06 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Spiff
There is no difference between Gore and Bush, they are both liberals.
163 posted on 06/19/2002 7:33:16 AM PDT by Texbob
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To: DoughtyOne
I don't understand why we can't have a discussion of about this Admnistration's proposed policies; whether it advances Constitutional freedoms or is detrimental to our cherished liberties, WITHOUT people resorting to attacking us as unpatriotic and anti-American.

If we don't hold this President's feet to the fire, who will? The Democrats? They won't be happy until every aspect of our existence is controlled by the Federal government.

If it's reactionary to respect property rights, and love Freedom, I'm happy to be a reactionary.

Let us honor the memory of the Founders by continuing to uphold the blessings of Liberty forever!!

164 posted on 06/19/2002 8:09:49 AM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: DLfromthedesert
I have to agree with you. Wouldn't it seem your approach would be a reasonable policy to adopt? I really don't understand the Bush supporters. When something is clearly wrong, it's wrong. Admit it. Join the discussion like adults. Then the others would join them when Bush does something right. As it is, we have two camps of people when we should be one camp together.
165 posted on 06/19/2002 9:48:14 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne; DLfromthedesert
...adults...reasonable...open minded. Yup perhaps we need a tutorial on FR called "Discussion and Debate 101".
166 posted on 06/19/2002 11:46:21 AM PDT by madfly
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To: DoughtyOne
I, for one, am always reactionary.
167 posted on 06/19/2002 7:21:43 PM PDT by Reactionary
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To: madfly
Wouldn't hoit. You take care...
168 posted on 06/20/2002 2:38:45 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Reactionary
I've noticed that. But it your case it seems to fit. LOL Take care.
169 posted on 06/20/2002 2:39:28 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: poet
"I would say that the nuggets are the liberal things he has done."

Do you really call liberal things "nuggets" thrown to us? Not IMO. He is spending billions of our tax money which will be followed by tax increases. 50% is not enough for me. I can accept 70%, but, not 50%. My description of bush still stands until he proves otherwise, but, I hold no hope he will change his embracing the democrat's programs. He is, after all, a democrat.

Ugh! Where to start....First of all, Bush cut taxes and he is proposing more tax cuts! Democrats want to increase taxes, not Bush. Conservatives might have more influence if we would restrict our complaints to reality, and not our fears.

You say Bush is a democrat. Ok what democrat would cancel the koyoto(sp?) treaty? what rat would cancel the ABM treaty? What rat would renew Reagan's (pro-life) mexico city policy? What rat would restrict stem cell research? What rat would try to increase the impact of organized religion in our society? What rat would have dramatic increases in our defense spending? What rat would build missle defense? What rat would promote abstinence sex ed? What rat would reverse the Gov't policy regarding the 2nd admendment? What rat would reverse clinton's "enviromental regs that harm our coal plants? What rat would try to develop our energy resources? What rat would actually call evil, evil? Do you think that Algore would have done any of these things? I could list more, or should I start listing what an algore administration would do?

You say that 50% is not enough for you. Good, I'm not saying that it should be. We should fight for 100 percent. Let's just be smart enough to realize that we will never achieve 100 percent. There will always be some sort of compromise. And let's realize that 50% right is a lot more than the zero percent right that we could get with a rat administration. Bush has been making mistakes. These mistakes make him wrong, not a lib, not a rat.

The problem with Bush is not his philosophy, but his tactics. For example, Bush signed the farm bill, because he believes that it will give him one senate seat in the next election. A seat that could allow him to regain control of the senate. If we get the senate then we can get conservative judges approved. If that happens then we gain far more than we lost with the farm bill. Does this mean that I think Bush should have signed the farm bill? No! I wish Bush would have tried defeating the rats, instead of defanging them by taking away their issues.

Please understand all I am asking is that you accept the idea that Bush be wrong without being a rat or a lib. Is there a reason why cannot we oppose Bush when he's wrong, without ignoring or forgetting the good things that he has done. Why must we falsely pretend he's the same as algore, just to condemn him when he's wrong. Right now I am very worried that the Bush Administration is making a big mistake. I've heard that Rumsfield has embraced the idea that we can predict future conflicts. (i.e. we "know" that all we need is air power and Special Forces to win all our future conflicts.) It will be a big mistake, but it won't mean that they are rats or libs, just that they are wrong.

170 posted on 06/20/2002 7:12:18 PM PDT by Sci Fi Guy
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To: MJY1288
GOOD! Let the right get stirred up ... a few months ago I'd be on Bush's side here, but after tarriffs and several other ANTI-FREE-MARKET POSITIONS I'd say Bush cannot be trusted to be consistently pro-free-market. He needs to feel the heat to see the light once in a while!
171 posted on 06/20/2002 7:41:12 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: DoughtyOne
Many of the items you list have offsetting issues that substantially nullify any of their positive effects. Even if every one of them stood on their own unopposed by offsetting issues, would that explain away the implementation of clearly leftist policies? No.

Yeah every thing is a zero sum game right? I love watching you people writhe like scorpions stinging your selves to death. It is quite a sight.

172 posted on 06/20/2002 7:49:31 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
No problem. Take care.
173 posted on 06/20/2002 11:10:32 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Spiff
I don't belive this!

Might as well have AlGore in the position!

BTW....My daughter is taking a history course at college. Her teacher is a flaming, bleeding liberal woman about 74 yeas old. Every other word she says berates Conservatives and Bush - she claims everything we do is against the Constitution. I think if she would look closer at Bush, she might change her stupid tune. He keeps rubbing the backs of the liberals, turning his back on us!

The teacher I mentioned also complains that conservatives want to follow the Constitution too closely word for word, rule of law, etc.
I told my daughter "That would be a nice start" ....

That teacher complains that Bush is doing things against the Constitution, then she complains that conservatives don't follow the Constitution. My daughter HATES this teacher. I plan to give said teacher a piece of my mind after my daughter finishes the course.

The teacher SHOULD be able to teach history without spouting her liberal ideology, without trouncing on everything my daughter believes in, and without REVISING US HISTORY!!!!

174 posted on 06/21/2002 4:50:11 AM PDT by buffyt
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To: Spiff

If conservatism was a crime and Bush was charged with it - the case would get thrown out of court on lack of evidence.

BIG DITTO!

 

175 posted on 06/23/2002 2:35:26 AM PDT by Action-America
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To: Lazamataz

In fact, I'm seeing pretty much a Gore-lite neo-socialist.

Fabulous terminology!  Most accurate.

You are to be commended.

 

176 posted on 06/23/2002 2:40:37 AM PDT by Action-America
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