[Darth Sidious]

Never on both counts if we do something stupid that lets the Dems take control of the White House or increase their votes in the Senate and the Congress.

So you're willing for all of us to sacrifice fundamental liberties... just to keep one half of a kleptocracy out of power??

I don't know what's sadder: that someone would suggest that, or my knowing that several people on this forum and across America would agree with you.

[PsyOp]

I do not agree with most of the things that have been done in the name of home-land security. But as long as those laws are fastened with rigid sunset clauses to prevent them from becoming permanent, like the Homeland security bill was, then I'll go along with it for the time being.

During the Civil War, rights like Habeous Corpus and others were suspended by Lincoln. Critics said it was the end of Democracy. They were wrong.

During the Second World War, the same thing. The critics said the same thing. They were wrong.

Nothing as drastic as occurred then is going on now and the critics are bringing the curtain down on Democracy once again. I'm willing to bet they're wrong, again. And if I'm wrong, well I still have my guns. And there's still the ACLU. They're idiots, but they can be useful idiots.

"People like myself" have not rolled over to expose our necks to the boot of totalitarianism. But neither are we running around like chickens with our heads cut off proclaiming the end of the world. Reports of the Republics demise are a bit premature at this point.