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To: Jim Robinson; BeAchooser, Texasforever, NittanyLion, Sabertooth
Jim asks: Ok. What's your proposal for selecting and electing a constitutionally-minded president?

I would slightly expand this to include a constitutionally minded congress, and there may be a couple possibilities, each with pros and cons, that attempt to work within the party and failing that, to continue without the party but offering the option to leverage any influence with voters to increase the constitutional conservatism of the party.

I do not, in this post, presume to be able to present any consensus of opinion on candidates or positions, so I won't try. I am, however, suggesting the starting point of ways to be more influential with Republican Party leadership, and I am assuming that there are sufficient issues on which both staunch Bush supporters and those that would like Bush to be more conservative could agree. The specifics below are examples, the underlying concept doesn't pivot (I don't think) on the specifics, other specifics would suffice (presuming we reach a consensus).

Assuming such consensus (a big assumption I grant you), it would seem the following is a largely 'intellectual' effort, well within the scope of the posters here. Whether it moves beyond that, clearly depends on how attractive the ideas produced are to candidates and incumbents who would have to 'carry the banner' so to speak thereafter, and how much support they and said ideas generate. But formulating the ideas is well within the scope of this forum, thanks entirely to you, Jim Robinson.

1) Develop a new 'contract with America', a more constitutional contract with America. It's planks/provisions to be determined, but would run along the lines of:

2 ) Develop grassroots swing vote (at least for 2004, but ideally for 2002 though that seems remote at this time)

Independent swing voters decided previous outcomes, and could well decide the next (2002 and 2004), we can lead the direction of those swing voters.

Demonstrate in 2002 elections (if not too late) ability to swing votes towards conservative candidates and issues (RNC anointed or not). A coordinated write-in campaign with the cooperation of selected candidates might prove influential enough to swing the outcome, or put the outcome in doubt.

Who would the candidates be? For state and local office, unknown. For national office, 'known' names have been suggested elsewhere, some serious, some not, more could be offered. Again, it would be presumptuous in this post to identify consensus candidate(s). What is suggested is a process by which conservatives can influence the Republican Party leadership.

If candidates win, great, hopefully they'll sustain their position as campaigned.

Else, if enough votes were swung from Republican candidates (I doubt 'independent' Democrats would ever vote conservative - but that has been debated here as well) then leverage that 'swing vote' influence to get Republican Party leadership, including current administration to adopt a more 'conservative' position, or risk losing that swing vote in 2004. I'm acutely aware the potential to 'take votes from Republicans' is anathema to many here. Political animals of all persuasion don't seem to pay attention to anything less. They do measure what to do by how much pressure they get to do it. That's the point of putting the outcomes of their elections in doubt. The advatages of doing this with congressional races in 2002 certainly would seem to outweigh the risks at the presidential level in 2004. ie, if this might work, sooner is better.

The 'conservative position' advocated with swing voters and the Republican Party would be something along the lines of option 1) above.

There are aspects of this that smack of brinkmanship, which I don't like, and would like to see it removed without loosing any impact. I do believe however (as I suspect others in this forum do as well) that we do approach a constitutional brink and commensurate measures are needed to bring attention to the issues.

I am certain there are aspects of this that I'm mistaken or naive about. To those who would educate me, please do make it a constructive education. Show what is wrong, why it's wrong, but ideally, suggest an alternative (that lacks your stated objections) that you believe would in fact work and why.

Thank you Jim for the opportunity to present my thought. If you feel this may inadvertently inflame and cause more damage than contribution, then please do remove it.

1,115 posted on 06/06/2002 3:17:29 PM PDT by Starwind
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To: Starwind
Are you talking about the same Constitution that Bush used to refer to in his stump speeches? He used to so sanctimoniously, "When I take my oath and put my hand on the Constitution , and swear to uphold the laws..blah blah blah....." Well, we know how he takes his Constitutional duties so seriously. He has continued to fund every single unconstitutional agencies that the previous adminstration did, and added some of his own. Not just that, he refuses to uphold the Constitutional prerogatives for enforcing immigration laws because he wants to get the Mexican vote.
1,116 posted on 06/06/2002 3:25:08 PM PDT by Satadru
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To: BeAchooser; Texasforever; NittanyLion; Sabertooth
I may have messed up my cc list.

You were copied on my post #1115 to Jim Robinson

1,124 posted on 06/06/2002 4:04:23 PM PDT by Starwind
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To: Starwind
Very thoughtful post. Don't let the fact that you got no responses back deter you - your posts on this thread are the best of any I've seen.

FWIW, I think the GOP really needs to step back and define what they stand for as well. When you're the opposition party, it's easy to become obsessed with gaining power - to the point where your platform becomes secondary. It's been a couple years now, and examining where they're looking to go would be a great idea. I suspect it would sell to the public as well, if the public believed this was an honest, nonpolitical effort.

1,266 posted on 06/07/2002 4:27:16 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: #3Fan
Your thoughtful commentary please on my post #1115?
1,297 posted on 06/08/2002 3:22:10 PM PDT by Starwind
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