A Few Questions For Die-Hard Bush Supporters

Toogood Reports ^ | June 5, 2002 | Lee R. Shelton IV

[ArneFufkin]

We don't need your help, pal. You sit back in your chair there.

If Zell Miller changed party tomorrow, the whole world would change. Daschele is burying conservative judges, popular programs and Executive managers. Why? They don't have the reason, or courage, to vote AGAINST these people on the Senate Floor. They are all qualified. So he's taken the air out of the ball. There's nothing that can be done if 50 Democrats and one Cockroach from Vermont aren't willing to do their duty of advise and consent.

JimRob's right. Winning the Senate is a HUGE leverage tool in getting conservative priorities passed. No Senator is going to fillibuster a Federal Judge who is qualified, but conservative. The last judge (Mississippi?) would have been confirmed if his nomination ever got to the Senate floor. Leahy choked it in Committee. Bush had 4 months in office before Jeffords was bought off. That's it. He got Ashcroft through, a Tax break through, Missile Defense through ... etc. etc. All those things would have been impossible in Daschele's Senate. Zell Miller is the swing vote that Daschele needed to neutralize, seeing as Strom just wouldn't die as expected. Jeffords ... plan B.

[Reagan Man]

Unfortunately, you cannot define most of the Republicans in office as either conservative or constitutionally-minded.

That's very true.

But real conservatives are very patient folks. In fact, that's what conservatism is all about. We prefer gradual development to abrupt change. Conservative incrementalism, works well in politics, because political change is a slow process. Things don't happen overnight. Seven decades of Democrats building on creeping policies of liberal socialism, has proven that. If you want abrupt change, thats called a revolution.

[B Knotts]

I share your concern, and the same kinds of things have happened to me, simply for saying that perhaps constructive criticism of the administration is not tantamount to treason.

And I voted for President Bush, and contributed to his campaign, and volunteered for him, and worked at a campaign event for then-candidate Cheney. And helped organize protests against Algore's attempted theft of the presidency.

I basically got associated with the Buchananites, who I personally disagree with on most issues. I think there are too many people who are too quick on the trigger.

[oldvike]

You are correct. Judges are a problem. However, he has the political capital to use his veto power on bad legislation. So far he has not done that.

[RamsNo1]

Oh, I'm so glad you can tell me what being a conservative means. A real conservative doesn't sign an anti-free speech bill only to wait for the supreme court to mop up the mess and overturn the law. At least a real man doesn't do that.

[Texasforever]

God will be the one who calls each of us to account for where we cast our loyalty.

News flash, God will not review your voting record. God did not invent politics. God did not cover Adam with a voting ballot, but a fig leaf.

[B Knotts]

Let me clarify: I basically was accused of being a Buchananite, which is laughably inaccurate.

[Jim Robinson]

Well, you've got to vote your conscience. No one can fault you for that. My conscience tells me that the Democrats have got to go.

[Luis Gonzalez]

But real conservatives are very patient folks. In fact, that's what conservatism is all about. We prefer gradual development to abrupt change.

[PhiKapMom]

I am with you! I just want the bashing to stop all the way around and bash the DemocRATS! A lot of this started IMHO when Rush started his bashing. He may be out to attract soccer moms or what have you, but it started a slide down a slippery slope and a lot of people lost track of who the enemy really is.

I posted an article that said the DemocRAT strategy was to attack, attack on all fronts and it looks like some of what we have been seeing is just that. There has been an overeaction a lot but this past few days got totally out of hand.

I have had to post numerous times that I am not talking about dissent is not welcome but it never has gotten through to some folks. Dissent is healthy IMHO but you can do it without bashing and people need to use facts. Not that hard to check out sources on the Internet.

Thanks for your comments! And I agree with them!

[MJY1288]

Yup, time to break ranks and face the real enemy :-) only 153 days till election day and the Senate and House are far more important than silly flame wars with each other.

Eagles up my friend :-)

Mike

P.S. a Freeper once told me.... "Winning a flame war on the internet is like winning a Gold Medal at the special olympics... Sure!... it's cool.... But you're still a retard"

I'm still laughing at that one

[ruoflaw]

and you posted #600 to me why??? I am politically active and I have been for many years...my husband holds an elective office and I helped get four write in candidates elected when I was head of a PAC...I also sued the local Democratic Party for taking an illegal vote and won! (even though I have always been a Conservative Republican.)

[oldvike]

News flash, God will not review your voting record. God did not invent politics. God did not cover Adam with a voting ballot, but a fig leaf.

Funny you should say that.....

A while back there was a statement release by the Catholic Church detailing how catholics should vote. Basically, it stated that we should vote for whichever candidate would push to have abortion made illegal no matter what his other politics are.

There was a thread about that here on FR about a year ago, but I have no clue how to find a thread that old.

[fogarty]

Unfortunately I cannot agree with you in any respect. Your whole post subscribes to the idea that the Constitution has been so changed over the years through amendments that its basic premise no longer is the same. In fact, you could your arguments seem little different from any liberal politician who believes the Constitution is a 'living, ever-changing document.'

The foundational intent of the US Constitution is that of limited government, wherein the power of the government is limited by its separation into three branches and is shackled by the rights inherent in the people themselves. More importantly, these individual rights precede and supercede the government itself; they are granted by the Creator. Hence the most immediate point of the Constitution is that the government is granted its powers solely by the people, in whom all power of government lies.

To me, that is Consitutional principle to which all politicians should subscribe. Now, looking at the Constitutional foundation ideals - how many Republicans truly believe and practice it?

[Texasforever]

Oh, I'm so glad you can tell me what being a conservative means. A real conservative doesn't sign an anti-free speech bill only to wait for the supreme court to mop up the mess and overturn the law. At least a real man doesn't do that.

No MEN as opposed to BOYS use their heads instead of their big mouths to get things done. MEN as opposed to BOYS don't try to win the shouting match they just win the fight. MEN as opposed to BOYS know that when you are only 1/3 of the constitutional government you must let each third exercise its constitutionally granted powers when there is a conflict.

[Reagan Man]

Seems like I've been posting that Reagan quote quite often lately. Thanks Luis. Reagan knew the importance of political negotiation and compromise. I wish folks around here would take a cue from The Gipper. They could learn a lot from him.

[RamsNo1]

A majority of republicans in the senate won't change anything. They are as socialist and cowardly as the democraps. Bush is just playing along with the whole Washington game and he is just as cheap as the congressional retreads.

[oldvike]

LMAO, I like to call the participants of real nasty flame wars "Keyboard Commandos".

[ArneFufkin]

The Rams lost the big game. They're empirically NOT number 1. You have a little credibility problem from the start.

That's why I didn't go with my first choice for FR screename: "HmongNBAstar"

[PhiKapMom]

I cannot imagine who put you in with the Buchanan people -- that thought never occurred to me! Like I said I am a huge Bush supporter but didn't like the Education bill and said so. Not liking an issue should never be a cause to accuse you or anyone else of being a traitor IMHO for what that's worth!