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To: dead
WTC collapsed because the towers were built "on the cheap".

When the construction crews were prohibited from spraying asbestos to insulate the steel columns (see: New York Times, April 28, 1970, p. 83), the towers should have been built to a shorter height, around 70 stories.

8 posted on 04/29/2002 1:12:19 PM PDT by Tuco-bad
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Thomas Eagar does not agree with your analysis in any way. His analysis of the collapse never even mentions asbestos or the lack thereof.

He blames the collapse on the fact that the intense, but not uniform, heat was spread instantly across entire floors (as would never happen in a “normal” fire). Combined with the buckling from impact, the heat caused a failing in the certain angle clips (which held the floor trusses to the column) setting off the catastrophic chain reaction collapse.

Thomas Eagar is Thomas Lord Professor of Materials Engineering and Engineering Systems at MIT. What are your credentials? I mean, other than being a repeatedly failed political prognosticator?

12 posted on 04/29/2002 1:50:49 PM PDT by dead
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dont be such an idiot.

For the WTC towers to remain standing after 2 747's hit them is amazing enough. For them to succomb only because of many 10,000's of gallons of burning jet fuel is certainly respectable, and definately nothing anyone prior to 9/11 could have anticipated. (Well, maybe anyone who read DEBT OF HONOR -- but no one thought about them hitting skyscrapers).

Instead of blaming the engineers, lets remember who brought down the towers-- a bunch of Islamic fanatics shouting "Allahu akhbar," no doubt.

Of course, we all know Islam is a religion of peace....

14 posted on 04/29/2002 1:59:36 PM PDT by jude24
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Wow - tuco-bad penny has turned up. I doubt that any building even with the insulation you refer to could handle the heat brom so much blazing jet fuel. Now let's see how you defend the arab murderers in the plane.
26 posted on 04/29/2002 3:01:07 PM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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1. Encase the steel beams in concrete (much too expensive as the buildings were now at the 67th floor level).

That's ridiculous. It wasn't too expensive, it was IMPOSSIBLE. They would have had to take the 67 floors down and start over. You can't suddenly add tons of concrete to the top of the structure, the weight is one of the main factors in the design of any building.

Encasing the beams in concrete would also have affected the stability of the building in terms of the main stress the designers were planning for--the wind. The towers were designed to sway, and anyone who's visited them knows they definitely did. That's so the very tall buildings won't topple over in a hurricane. Make the structure more rigid and you've put it in danger. Again, the building would have had to be completely redesigned from scratch. It would have to be built differently to accomodate the differences in weight and flexibility

Asbestos being banned was out of the Port Authority's control. The fireproofing eventually used was up to code, and you have provided no evidence that its use was a cost-cutting measure, or that it saved them any money at all.

The question was not the cost of the alternative fireproofing method, but rather the cost of the above choices 1 or 2.

I have just shown you that there was no "Choice 1", unless you really think there was a choice to tear down perfectly good buildings at that point and start all over again. In other words, to waste the millions of dollars that had already been spent.

Your claim was that the towers were cheaply built. Stop trying to dance away from what you said, it won't erase your first post from this thread. In fact I'll post it again:

WTC collapsed because the towers were built "on the cheap".
When the construction crews were prohibited from spraying asbestos to insulate the steel columns (see: New York Times, April 28, 1970, p. 83), the towers should have been built to a shorter height, around 70 stories.

Do I have to point out that the "cheapest" solution of all would have been to stop building right where they were when asbestos was banned? Think of the money they could have saved. Yet you said the towers fell because "they were built on the cheap", even though you provided no proof at all to back that up.

You have a strange malfunction in your brain, Tuco.

74 posted on 05/01/2002 12:22:19 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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