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1 posted on 04/09/2002 7:30:37 PM PDT by Bad~Rodeo
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In March 1988, two years after the deal was struck, it was discovered that Saudi Arabia had bought an undisclosed number of CSS-2 "East Wind" intermediate range missiles from China. (1) The number was later put at 50 missiles and nine launchers. (2) According to Assistant Secretary of State Richard Clarke, the missiles were still not operational in late 1989. (3) However, in early June 1990, Flight International reported that, according to Israeli intelligence, the CSS-2 missiles were deployed and operational at two sites: al-Sulaiyil, about 500 km south of Riyadh and al-Joffer, 100 km south of Riyadh. According to the article, each site houses four to six concrete launch pads and stores approximately 60 missiles. (4)

The East Wind's modified range/payload (5) of 2,500 km/2,000 kg (conventional load) brings many countries within striking range, including Israel, the former Soviet Union, and Iran, though the missiles are said to be targeted on Tehran and other Iranian population centers, rather than Israel.The 2.5 km CEP of the CSS-2 missiles, combined with the cost of the purchase (6) has led to a great deal of speculation about Saudi Arabia's intentions. The missiles are far too inaccurate to be used against any point target with either HE or chemical warheads. King Fahd has pledged that Saudi Arabia will not arm the missiles with unconventional warheads nor use them in a first-strike mode. (7) According to a study by the Congressional Research Service, the Reagan administration received an assurance in writing that the Saudis would not obtain or use chemical or nuclear warheads with the CSS-2 missiles. (8) To further allay such fears, Saudi Arabia signed the NPT in April 1988. To date (August 1996), no ballistic missiles other than the CSS-2 are reported to be operational or under development in Saudi Arabia.

None of the CSS-2s was fired during Desert Storm. In an interview with The Washington Times, Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan, acknowledging the inaccuracy of the CSS-2 and its consequent potential for killing civilians, said, "King Fahd ruled out that option [launching the missiles against Iraq] because of the fact that you cannot conrol it [the missiles] accurately. Our problem is that our war was not with the Iraqi people; it was with Saddam Hussein and his clique." (9) However, the multi-billion dollar King Khalid Military City is reported to include nuclear missile silos and nuclear-proofed underground command bunkers with full arming and firing capabilities. (10)

1. According to the Los Angeles Times, the sale was made in July 1985 (Jim Mann, "U.S. caught napping by Sino-Soviet missile deal," Los Angeles Times, 4 May 88, p. 1, 8).

2. The Los Angeles Times reported (ibid., p. 8) that Saudi Arabia had purchased between 20 and 25 CSS-2 missiles, of which China is thought to have produced no more than 100. Two days later The Washington Times claimed, "The most recent shipment of about 25 CSS-2s arrived last month, complementing the first shipment of about 25 sent from China last fall." (Bill Gertz, "State, Pentagon worry about Saudi missiles," The Washington Times, 12 May 88, p. A3) These figures differ substanially from the later claim, discussed below, that the Saudis had deployed four to six launchers and 60 missiles at each of two sites.

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China maintains a small missile force suitable for attacking regional targets. The Css-2 intermediate range ballistic missile (IRBM) first became operational in 1971, has a range of about 3,000 kilometers (1.5 lines omitted) It is liquid-fueled and road-transportable."

Taep'o-dong 2 (TD-2)(North Korea)

The first stage of the TD-2 is said to bear a close resemblance to the Chinese CSS-2's and CSS-3's first stage, but is slightly smaller. Other reports suggest that the first stage of the Taep'o-dong-2 is almost identical to the Chinese CSS-2.

4 posted on 04/09/2002 7:48:08 PM PDT by milestogo
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The homeland of the Wahabbi's!

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5 posted on 04/09/2002 7:49:50 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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I've been afraid for a long time that the above scenario was likely. I recall the WWII GI's 'war stories' about the Arabs they encountered. Totally untrustworthy and duplicitous.

Surely we have contingency plans to nuke that area if need be- Israel as well. A chilling thought for sure.

Thank you Sir for the post.
7 posted on 04/09/2002 7:52:13 PM PDT by hoot33
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In November 2000, China committed not to assist, in any way, any country in the development of ballistic missiles that could be used to deliver nuclear weapons, and to enact at an early date a comprehensive missile-related export control system.

During the reporting period, Chinese entities provided Pakistan with missile-related technical assistance. Pakistan has been moving toward domestic serial production of solid-propellant SRBMs with Chinese help. Pakistan also needs continued Chinese assistance to support development of the two-stage Shaheen-II MRBM. In addition, firms in China have provided dual-use missile-related items, raw materials, and/or assistance to several other countries of proliferation concern—such as Iran, North Korea, and Libya.

In the nuclear area, China has made bilateral pledges to the United States that go beyond its 1992 NPT commitment not to assist any country in the acquisition or development of nuclear weapons. For example, in May 1996 Beijing pledged that it would not provide assistance to unsafeguarded nuclear facilities.

With respect to Pakistan, Chinese entities in the past provided extensive support to unsafeguarded as well as safeguarded nuclear facilities, which enhanced substantially Pakistan’s nuclear weapons capability. We cannot rule out some continued contacts between Chinese entities and entities associated with Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program subsequent to Beijing’s 1996 pledge and during this reporting period.

11 posted on 04/09/2002 7:57:15 PM PDT by milestogo
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A BUMP and a THANK YOU for this post. Who CAN we trust over there besides Israel? Turks, maybe, Ruskies???
12 posted on 04/09/2002 8:00:01 PM PDT by TailspinJim
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Maybe I've missed something, but this is absolutely the first I have heard about this. Yet according to the story, these missiles were purchased TWELVE YEARS AGO.

Ever since September 11 it has been crystal clear that the Saudis are at the very heart of the Islamic threat. Once again, it seems to me that the only solution is to arrange some sort of coup, go in, and break the country in two.

One part for the oil, the other part for the holy places. The combination of control over the world's oil supply with Islamic fundamentalism is simply too dangerous.

There is too much power, too much fanaticism, too much economic control all concentrated in one place. A billion muslims, fanatical clerics, treacherous sheikhs, and oceans of money, all concentrated around Mecca. This cancer just can't be allowed to grow any further. I don't advocate that Bush should rush into anything. This situation is too dangerous for us to act with anything but extreme caution and careful preparation. But Saudi Arabia should be at the very center of Bush's long-range planning. If not, we will all pay a heavy price.

15 posted on 04/09/2002 8:13:48 PM PDT by Cicero
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This piece has caught me flat footed. I realize now why little is ever spoken or written about the Saudi military capabilities. (nobody wants to rock the boat)

It also explains why the Saudi's have been handled with "kid gloves" in recent years.

18 posted on 04/09/2002 8:30:01 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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Officials in Israel and the US did not understand why the Saudis, who in public take a moderate and pragmatic diplomatic line, had to buy the missiles

For the war between the Wahabbi and the Shi'a?

19 posted on 04/09/2002 8:30:42 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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"We had all the reasons to assume that they were grateful that we saved them in the Gulf War, and we were wrong."
22 posted on 04/09/2002 9:06:07 PM PDT by blam
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Well isn't this good news, it may explain why Bush aided and abetted the Saudi royals flight from the fruits of destruction they sowed on 9-11 and continue to finance.

It did not go without comment on the news that the royals plane was the only domestic flight allowed in the sky by Bush on 9-11 and Bush would not let the FBI question them before they departed.

Now the Saudi's tell Bush to stuff it the US cannot attack Iraq, and cannot use the multi-million dollar base we built there to attack from. Then the Saudi prince remember's a "peace plan" that just happened to be laying around in his desk drawer and Bush fawns over it.

No wonder Israel went ahead and went into defense/attack mode. That Sharon is pretty smart.

24 posted on 04/09/2002 9:17:53 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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Ping.
26 posted on 04/09/2002 9:30:49 PM PDT by Mitchell
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Ping.
27 posted on 04/09/2002 9:33:23 PM PDT by Mitchell
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Remember that immediately after 9-11 all of the Saudi Royal family fled to Switzerland, a neutral country. They were afraid that, having discovered their role in terrorism. we would retaliate.
34 posted on 04/09/2002 9:49:58 PM PDT by happygrl
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Ummmm....You mean our eyes-in-the-sky, spy satelites, didn't catch this? Oh well, time to spend a few billion and send up a few more.
36 posted on 04/09/2002 9:58:31 PM PDT by Don Myers
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Time for Israel to destroy these missles by a preemptive strike .... S.A. is governed by a bunch of raghead Wahabbi fundamentaist wackos bent on the destruction of all 'non believers.' I say F'em ....
38 posted on 04/09/2002 10:24:02 PM PDT by ex-Texan
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This certainly nails down the lie that Saudi is a friend and that rogues are the problem.
I hope that lots of missiles are targetted at the proper places as we speak.
If Osirak could be taken out...
40 posted on 04/09/2002 11:10:07 PM PDT by Publius6961
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I suppose the Saudi's were quick to upgrade after China's US technology coup. And those will reach a city near you.
42 posted on 04/10/2002 12:07:12 AM PDT by brat
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44 posted on 04/10/2002 4:15:03 AM PDT by maquiladora
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Note: this topic is from April 2002.
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