The Arafat Apologists

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[Sir Gawain]

The Arafat Apologists
By Marti Stapp © 2002
Published 04. 8. 02 at 17:54 Sierra Time

I am fatigued with the inconsistencies of the apologists for Palestinian terrorists. On the one hand, a group of people are deliberately strapping bombs on young people and encouraging them to kill innocent civilians. On the other hand, an army that represents an elected Democratic government is striving to protect their nation from suicidal bombers. To deny that Palestinian terrorists are just as much terrorists as the 9-11 murderers is sophistry. To pretend that any Nation, including the Nation of Israel, has no right to protect its borders is lunacy. What do we expect from Israel? Suicide from inaction?

Iraq is now offering twenty-five thousand dollars to any family willing to sacrifice a kid to be a suicidal bomber. Where is the equation between military personnel (on meager salaries) trying to interdict terrorism in THEIR country and suicidal maniacs who think they are going to get 72 virgins for murdering Jews? The apologists can call them proponents of a Jihad or even "freedom fighters" if they wish. I shall call what they are doing exactly what it is - a reign of terror perpetrated by terrorists bent on driving every Jew in Israel into the sea.

Never mind that these cockroaches were offered ninety-five to ninety-seven percent of their "wish list" and they turned it down. Their public protestations are lies. They obviously do not want what they tell they world they want and anyone who subscribes to their propaganda is naive. According to portions of Arafat's biography (in an online report by Good Morning America), this is the REAL Yasser Arafat, the leader of the militant Palestinians:

Yasser Arafat
President of Palestinian Council

YASSER ARAFAT came before the U.N. General Assembly in 1972 with an
olive branch and a gun. The symbolic juxtaposition of peace and violence
defines Arafat's political life....

Arafat was born in 1929 to a successful merchant father and a religiously devoted
mother. His birth name was Mohammed, but he was quickly nicknamed Yasser,
which means "easy." Arafat's mother died when he was 4, and his father sent him to
live with a married uncle in Jerusalem. As a teenager in the 1940s, Arafat became involved in the Palestinian cause. Before the Arabs were defeated by Israel in 1948, Arafat was a leader in the Palestinian effort to smuggle arms into the territory.

"For our part, we will honor our commitments. ... [O]ur participation in the great peace process means that we are betting everything on the future." Arafat, on the signing of an accord in September 1995 to extend Palestinian Rule in the West Bank

After the war, Arafat studied civil engineering at the University of Cairo. He headed the Palestinian Students League and, by the time he graduated, was committed to forming a group that would free Palestine from Israeli occupation. In 1956 he founded Al Fatah, an underground terrorist organization. At first Al Fatah was ignored by larger Arab nations such as Egypt, Syria, and Jordan, which had formed their own group - the Palestine Liberation Organization. It wasn't until the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, when the Arabs lost the Gaza Strip, Golan Heights and West Bank, that Arab nations turned to Arafat. In 1968 he became the leader of the PLO.

"I don't know anyone who has as much civilian Jewish blood on his hands as Arafat since the Nazis' time." Former Israeli Defense Minister Ariel Sharon, October 1995

For two decades the PLO launched bloody attacks on Israel, and Arafat gained a reputation as a ruthless terrorist. But by 1988, when he told the United Nations that the PLO would recognize Israel as a sovereign state, Arafat had warmed to diplomacy. Then in 1993, the unthinkable happened. The terrorist leader, who had rarely been seen without his signature ghutra and scruffy beard, met with his avowed enemies. The secret peace talks in Norway led to the Oslo Peace Accords with Israeli Prime Minister Yitzak Rabin. The agreement granted limited Palestinian self-rule and earned Arafat, Rabin and Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres the 1994 Nobel Peace Prize. In January 1996 Arafat was elected the first president of the
Palestinian Council governing the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
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For those who believe the leopard has changed his spots and that he is not the architect of the current terrorist attacks in Israel, let me quote an excerpt from an essay written by Rabbi Meir Kahane:

The following essay was written in 1988, only a couple of years Before the murder of Rabbi Kahane by an Arab terrorist, Egyptian-born El Sayyid Nosair, who not only was convicted of the murder but also of conspiracy in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

Israel Today & Always: Dear World

by Rabbi Meir Kahane

"....You are upset that we repress the poor Palestinians. You are deeply angered over the fact that we do not give up the lands of 1967, which are clearly the obstacle to peace in the Middle East. Moscow is upset and Washington is upset. The Arabs are upset and the gentle Egyptian moderates are upset. Well, dear world, consider the reaction of a normal Jew from Israel. In 1920, 1921 and 1929, there were no territories of 1967 to impede peace between Jews and Arabs. Indeed, there was no Jewish State to upset anybody. Nevertheless, the same oppressed and repressed Palestinians slaughtered hundreds of Jews in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Safed and Hebron. Indeed, 67 Jews were slaughtered one day in Hebron - in 1929.

Dear World, why did the Arabs - the Palestinians - massacre 67 Jews in one day in 1929? Could it have been their anger over Israeli aggression in 1967? And why were 510 Jewish men, women and children slaughtered in Arab riots in 1936-39? Was it because of Arab upset over 1967? And when you, World, proposed a U.N. Partition Plan in 1947 that would have created a Palestinian State alongside a tiny Israel and the Arabs cried and went to war and killed 6,000 Jews - was that upset stomach caused by the aggression of 1967? And, by the way, dear world, why did we not hear your cry of upset then?

The poor Palestinians who today kill Jews with explosives and firebombs and stones are part of the same people who - when they had all the territories they now demand be given them for their state - attempted to drive the Jewish State into the sea. The same twisted faces, the same hate, the same cry of "idbah-al-yahud" - "Slaughter the Jews!" that we hear and see today, were seen and heard then. The same people, the same dream - destroy Israel. What they failed to do yesterday, they dream of today - but we should not 'repress' them.

Dear World, you stood by the Holocaust and you stood by in 1948 as seven states launched a war that the Arab League proudly compared to the Mongol massacres. You stood by in 1967 as Nasser, wildly cheered by wild mobs in every Arab capital in the world, vowed to drive the Jews into the sea. And you would stand by tomorrow if Israel were facing extinction. And since we know that the Arabs-Palestinians daily dream of that extinction, we will do everything possible to remain alive in our own land. If that bothers you, dear world, well - think of how many times in the past you bothered us. In any event, dear world, if you are bothered by us, here is one Jew in Israel who could not care less.

Back To Israel Today & Always"

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The slaughter of innocent Jewish civilians continues while apologists in the United States urge either restraint or even "backing down." I think the Jews in Israel have suffered enough and I, for one, don't give a damn if they deny every Palestinian entrance into their country. Deprive the terrorists and all their sympathizes and their relatives and offspring any "right to work," any shelter and any sustenance. And, while they're at it, all Jews should insist that the Nobel committee members that awarded Arafat the "Nobel Peace Prize" should be extradited to Israel and forced to live with the murder and terror he and his minions are inflicting upon the tiny and beleaguered nation of Israel.

It is past time for Israel to take the measures necessary to halt terrorism in their own country. The price of doing any less may be the death of the nation of Israel. Survival as a nation is the only option for the Jews and to hell with what the rest of the world thinks.

Remember the Jordanian response to Palestinian terrorism? They made no apologies to the world for their war on the nasty, murderous Palestinian cockroaches. They had it right and it is time for Israel to emulate them.

[Cachelot]

I would laud Cachelot's having the stones to use this tactic out in the open

You mean the "tactic" of letting people's words speak for themselves, Askel? And this byzantine hide-and-seek thing, would that be you taking internal discussions from this board over to a group of helpers on another board? Just curious :).

[Sir Gawain]

I don't think it is much of a stretch to extrapolate that into a frowning on bringing arguments from whole other websites to here.

If it's relevant to the current discussion, I don't see a problem with it. That's different than carrying a different argument from another thread onto a new thread.

[Chunga]

" If you create a new generation of kids who hate you, you will have decades of hate before the new generation can trust you!"

Of course the Israelis aren't creating a new generation of hate-filled Palestinians. The responsibility lies at the feet of mullahs, clerics, dictators, their respective propoganda organs and parents who teach their children the glories of martyrdom.

Palestinians have historically been better-treated in Israel than they have in the Arab nations in the region. Never underestimate ingratitude. It can blossom into murder.

[Askel5]

In the course of my "internal discussions" I made mention of the fact that I would be trying to find additional information to buttress my position and flesh out the questions I had.

Because some of those then banned to date had ended up at LF and managed to remain somewhat adult (some more than others) about the subject of FR, I sought information there.

Such a thread would have never lasted here and would have been of little use since folks would have had to break the rules by assuming another identity to post in and I would have only exacerbate the ongoing wound on the ZION_IST threads. I doubt it would have stayed up for even a day. Quite in contrast to the way the LF post netted me a few responses, a few emails and died on the vine.

Either way, it ended up a moot point when internal discussions were closed.

I'm just as up front on other sites as I am here. One telltale sign is the way I -- like Zviadist -- stick to the same handle I chose on FR 4 years ago no matter where I go. Because you've read the thread, you know good and well that I was not about to tolerate any FR bashing or innuendo -- that was not the point of the thread -- I simply wanted to get an idea of how many and for what reason folks were banned on the Middle East threads.

Why? Because I've NEVER seen such one-sided carnage in all the time I've been here.

As a Catholic who prefers that the Catholic-bashing stand in all its ugliness for everyone to see, as a Catholic who is confident I've the patience and logic and objective truth necessary to handle my own business ... I'm not into either playing the victim card or engaging in the predatory behavior that is psychoanalyzing or trailing my opponents in an effort to build a sustainable claim of Insanity or Hate Crime with which to get them silenced.

I don't waste a lot of my time anymore trying to fight the good fight on these threads. It's not so much a fear of being banned as it is a real distaste for watching you all in action. Folks so "faithful" they have every confidence in their Divine claim to Israel (which claim is to be respected irregardless of another's belief in God or the Jews own obedience to His law) yet so hateful they can engage in the practice of Dehumanization ... the very tactic by which countless Jews have been persecuted, tortured and killed as somehow Subhuman for centuries.

Your actions and words are inconsistent. Anyone who pays any attention at all knows you are not defending (by reasoned argument or Witness) the righteousness of Israel so much as you are bulldozing a conduit for continued one-sided coverage of a conflict of flashpoint proportions sufficient to set fire to the world.

[philosofy123]

You are correct. However, I still think that violance from the ragheads can be passified by a leader as Perez.

[Askel5]

By the rules of this website, Zviadist's second comment doesn't even belong in this forum but rather is a subject for discussion in the Religion forum.

I find it interesting that Cachelot (whose State of Israel is premised on God's exclusive promise to the Jews and a matter of faith for them which the whole world must respect) not only does not respect Zviadist's faith but uses it to try and impugn him as somehow dishonest and hateful.

[Sir Gawain]

In any case, I won't lose sleep over it.

[philosofy123]

I agree with you, the ragheads never in the past or in the future are willing to accept Israel. But Israel must live in this area with them. Do you forget about even temporary peace, like the one you have with Egypt? Do you think the Egyptians accept you?

You must be above these savages, and look for ways to have coexistence and reduction of tension.

[yianni]

Oderint, dum metuant!

[Nuke'm Glowing]

Add to the list of apologists the allegedly "Christian" organization Worldvision. On ABC radio's national update at the bottom of the last hour, one of their representatives alleged that the "poor, pathetic Palestenians" were forced to drink sewer water. Worldvision officially went on my list of "go to hell" when they call for solicitations. And I'm informing my preacher that if one dime of our church's money goes to the TransJordanians, I'm quitting the church. I'm tired of everyone hating the Israelis.

[Chunga]

"However, I still think that violance from the ragheads can be passified by a leader as Perez."

The Palestinians won't be pacified until they are thoroughly subdued, crushed and humiliated or Israel is destroyed.

[Cachelot]

I'm just as up front on other sites as I am here.

Are you now? So, on one site you're telling folks that you're trying to keep people from being banned (and perhaps get the bannes back in again - coincidentally, mostly bizarrely antisemitic bannees). Then you come here and approach some of the Jewish posters about the same kind of information and help you were soliciting on the other board, now ostensibly "to keep banned posters from slipping in again".

This is rather stupid behaviour, Askel.

[Askel5]

In any case, I won't lose sleep over it.

My continued harping on the subject is in direct proportion to my continued respect for the integrity of this site.

While I still have a voice, I'll continue to err on the side of letting folks present their arguments in the most above-board fashion possible and letting others -- as if they had brains or something -- decide for themselves.

If out of context quotes and "guilt by association" were actually sound foundations for stripping a person of his integrity, I doubt very seriously so many folks around here would get away with replying "BUSH HATER!" every time his duplicity, lies or inexplicable chumminess with the likes of Ted Kennedy were proffered for review and comment.

[Cachelot]

I find it interesting that Cachelot (whose State of Israel is premised on God's exclusive promise to the Jews and a matter of faith for them which the whole world must respect) not only does not respect Zviadist's faith but uses it to try and impugn him as somehow dishonest and hateful.

I'll just catch that one too if you don't mind.

I called Zviadist a "terrorist supporter". He responded with the assertion that I don't know the first thing about him.

However, his post places him smack dab in the middle of what we all know and dislike as Christian Identity or one of its variants - the belief that some other group is really God's chosen people, or even Israel itself. These groups are terrorist supporters (Butler has a real softspot for the Taliban), and some of them are themselves terrorist groups. If you do a quick search of these terms "Christian Identity", "Aryan Nations" or "Rahowa", you should be able to make the connection without too much strain.

[Sir Gawain]

Market economics will make sure this site stays on a correct path.

[jo6pac]

Non illegitimus carborundum.

[Zviadist]

However, his post places him smack dab in the middle of what we all know and dislike as Christian Identity or one of its variants

You are blinded by your own hatred and bigotry. My post reflects the mainstream view of the Roman Catholic Church (one billion people) and 95 percent of the Protestant churches. Your hatred for Christians is such that any explanation of mainstream Christian views is, to you, "Aryan nations" or "Christian Identity." And anyway, YOU are the one who brought it up.

If anyone behaves like a "stormfront" type it is you, who desperately scours the Internet looking for dirt on people who disagree with you, in attempt to get them banned. That is not something that pro-Constitution conservatives generally support.

Perhaps you need to think about whether you are on the right site here. I would suggest having a look at Jim Robinson's mission statement. Nowhere does it say that it is the mission of this site to slog through the internet looking for ways to assassinate the character of conservatives.

[Zviadist]

I called Zviadist a "terrorist supporter".

Ironically, you called me a "terrorist supporter" in response to a post I made expressing my admiration for much of the work done by the Anti-Defamation League.

[Askel5]

So, on one site you're telling folks that you're trying to keep people from being banned

On ALL sites. I'm not naive. Any site that becomes as popular as FR has become is fair game for thread cleansers. Can't hurt to bang the drum in favor of Free Speech at all times and in all places. Any site that meets with success will most certainly meet with the same headaches this site's endured.

(and perhaps get the bannes back in again -

I've bemoaned certain losses but never tried to reinstate someone. Why? It's like opining on someone's marriage break-up. I don't pretend to know all the facts and -- regardless my utter respect for many now gone -- I don't pretend to "know" folks I've been reading for years, even.

(This would be in direct contrast to your and others' ability to divine identities, deep-seated psychological disorders, and the masked "hate" of others, natch.)

coincidentally, mostly bizarrely antisemitic bannees).

Yes ... can we have a thread sometime where you and others who so cavalierly toss about this label detail for the rest of us what exactly it is you're liable to perceive as "anti-semitic"?

Then you come here and approach some of the Jewish posters about the same kind of information

You brought Nix2's banishment to my attention. When I realized she wasn't actually banned, I inquired as to whether it had been a misunderstanding, admitting that it was none of my business, but curious as to whether or not she'd actually been suspended.

This was not a great deal different from Lent's asking me on the forum whether or not I'd ever been suspended or banned. Does he really care whether I continue to post? Probably not. Is he interested in what sort of things will get a person suspended? Very possibly.

and help you were soliciting on the other board, now ostensibly "to keep banned posters from slipping in again".

Total fantasy on your part. It's not my purview whether or not banned posters slip back in again or not. (Although I have been known to hit the abuse button and flag Jim/John in years past when Eschoir still posted in.)

As that is neither my responsibility nor my concern, it's been absolutely immaterial to my interest.

My interest is in having a forum where folks act like adults and manage to disagree without getting violent or running to the authorities to have this or that person silenced.

I am not only revulsed by anti-semitism but any form of prejudice or dehumanization whereby a human being or a group of human beings is deemed somehow less than human and a suitable object for hate, suspicion and extermination based solely on their nationality, skin, race or stage in development. I will be in your corner so fast it will make your head spin the day I detect that sickening and untenable sort of behavior.

Unfortunately, as it stands, you have deconstructed "anti-semitism" down to whatever gets your own nose out of joint and -- more often than not -- the hateful and often subtly insidious shades of genuine anti-semitism would not be a great deal different than that you use to castigate folks like Zviadist or encourage the dehumanization of all Palestianians as human vermin fit only for genocide.

[MHGinTN]

Israel appears ready to create something that has never existed previously to Israel becoming a modern nation ... a Palestinian nation! Oh, but I don't think the current Pali behavior --sending suicide children to kill as many Israeli civilians as they can-- stands them in good stead to join the family of nations. My feeling is, the issue should be tabled for another twenty years; perhaps the Jordanians and Syrians will rethink their previous rejection of the Palestinian peoples. It is interesting to note that the Syrian brutality in dealing with the Pali insurrection of by-gone days has led to the Palis spitting at Israel rather than get their butts slaughtered trying to wage revolution against the Syrian strongman.