The Arafat Apologists

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[Sir Gawain]

The Arafat Apologists
By Marti Stapp © 2002
Published 04. 8. 02 at 17:54 Sierra Time

I am fatigued with the inconsistencies of the apologists for Palestinian terrorists. On the one hand, a group of people are deliberately strapping bombs on young people and encouraging them to kill innocent civilians. On the other hand, an army that represents an elected Democratic government is striving to protect their nation from suicidal bombers. To deny that Palestinian terrorists are just as much terrorists as the 9-11 murderers is sophistry. To pretend that any Nation, including the Nation of Israel, has no right to protect its borders is lunacy. What do we expect from Israel? Suicide from inaction?

Iraq is now offering twenty-five thousand dollars to any family willing to sacrifice a kid to be a suicidal bomber. Where is the equation between military personnel (on meager salaries) trying to interdict terrorism in THEIR country and suicidal maniacs who think they are going to get 72 virgins for murdering Jews? The apologists can call them proponents of a Jihad or even "freedom fighters" if they wish. I shall call what they are doing exactly what it is - a reign of terror perpetrated by terrorists bent on driving every Jew in Israel into the sea.

Never mind that these cockroaches were offered ninety-five to ninety-seven percent of their "wish list" and they turned it down. Their public protestations are lies. They obviously do not want what they tell they world they want and anyone who subscribes to their propaganda is naive. According to portions of Arafat's biography (in an online report by Good Morning America), this is the REAL Yasser Arafat, the leader of the militant Palestinians:

Yasser Arafat
President of Palestinian Council

YASSER ARAFAT came before the U.N. General Assembly in 1972 with an
olive branch and a gun. The symbolic juxtaposition of peace and violence
defines Arafat's political life....

Arafat was born in 1929 to a successful merchant father and a religiously devoted
mother. His birth name was Mohammed, but he was quickly nicknamed Yasser,
which means "easy." Arafat's mother died when he was 4, and his father sent him to
live with a married uncle in Jerusalem. As a teenager in the 1940s, Arafat became involved in the Palestinian cause. Before the Arabs were defeated by Israel in 1948, Arafat was a leader in the Palestinian effort to smuggle arms into the territory.

"For our part, we will honor our commitments. ... [O]ur participation in the great peace process means that we are betting everything on the future." Arafat, on the signing of an accord in September 1995 to extend Palestinian Rule in the West Bank

After the war, Arafat studied civil engineering at the University of Cairo. He headed the Palestinian Students League and, by the time he graduated, was committed to forming a group that would free Palestine from Israeli occupation. In 1956 he founded Al Fatah, an underground terrorist organization. At first Al Fatah was ignored by larger Arab nations such as Egypt, Syria, and Jordan, which had formed their own group - the Palestine Liberation Organization. It wasn't until the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, when the Arabs lost the Gaza Strip, Golan Heights and West Bank, that Arab nations turned to Arafat. In 1968 he became the leader of the PLO.

"I don't know anyone who has as much civilian Jewish blood on his hands as Arafat since the Nazis' time." Former Israeli Defense Minister Ariel Sharon, October 1995

For two decades the PLO launched bloody attacks on Israel, and Arafat gained a reputation as a ruthless terrorist. But by 1988, when he told the United Nations that the PLO would recognize Israel as a sovereign state, Arafat had warmed to diplomacy. Then in 1993, the unthinkable happened. The terrorist leader, who had rarely been seen without his signature ghutra and scruffy beard, met with his avowed enemies. The secret peace talks in Norway led to the Oslo Peace Accords with Israeli Prime Minister Yitzak Rabin. The agreement granted limited Palestinian self-rule and earned Arafat, Rabin and Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres the 1994 Nobel Peace Prize. In January 1996 Arafat was elected the first president of the
Palestinian Council governing the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
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For those who believe the leopard has changed his spots and that he is not the architect of the current terrorist attacks in Israel, let me quote an excerpt from an essay written by Rabbi Meir Kahane:

The following essay was written in 1988, only a couple of years Before the murder of Rabbi Kahane by an Arab terrorist, Egyptian-born El Sayyid Nosair, who not only was convicted of the murder but also of conspiracy in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

Israel Today & Always: Dear World

by Rabbi Meir Kahane

"....You are upset that we repress the poor Palestinians. You are deeply angered over the fact that we do not give up the lands of 1967, which are clearly the obstacle to peace in the Middle East. Moscow is upset and Washington is upset. The Arabs are upset and the gentle Egyptian moderates are upset. Well, dear world, consider the reaction of a normal Jew from Israel. In 1920, 1921 and 1929, there were no territories of 1967 to impede peace between Jews and Arabs. Indeed, there was no Jewish State to upset anybody. Nevertheless, the same oppressed and repressed Palestinians slaughtered hundreds of Jews in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Safed and Hebron. Indeed, 67 Jews were slaughtered one day in Hebron - in 1929.

Dear World, why did the Arabs - the Palestinians - massacre 67 Jews in one day in 1929? Could it have been their anger over Israeli aggression in 1967? And why were 510 Jewish men, women and children slaughtered in Arab riots in 1936-39? Was it because of Arab upset over 1967? And when you, World, proposed a U.N. Partition Plan in 1947 that would have created a Palestinian State alongside a tiny Israel and the Arabs cried and went to war and killed 6,000 Jews - was that upset stomach caused by the aggression of 1967? And, by the way, dear world, why did we not hear your cry of upset then?

The poor Palestinians who today kill Jews with explosives and firebombs and stones are part of the same people who - when they had all the territories they now demand be given them for their state - attempted to drive the Jewish State into the sea. The same twisted faces, the same hate, the same cry of "idbah-al-yahud" - "Slaughter the Jews!" that we hear and see today, were seen and heard then. The same people, the same dream - destroy Israel. What they failed to do yesterday, they dream of today - but we should not 'repress' them.

Dear World, you stood by the Holocaust and you stood by in 1948 as seven states launched a war that the Arab League proudly compared to the Mongol massacres. You stood by in 1967 as Nasser, wildly cheered by wild mobs in every Arab capital in the world, vowed to drive the Jews into the sea. And you would stand by tomorrow if Israel were facing extinction. And since we know that the Arabs-Palestinians daily dream of that extinction, we will do everything possible to remain alive in our own land. If that bothers you, dear world, well - think of how many times in the past you bothered us. In any event, dear world, if you are bothered by us, here is one Jew in Israel who could not care less.

Back To Israel Today & Always"

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The slaughter of innocent Jewish civilians continues while apologists in the United States urge either restraint or even "backing down." I think the Jews in Israel have suffered enough and I, for one, don't give a damn if they deny every Palestinian entrance into their country. Deprive the terrorists and all their sympathizes and their relatives and offspring any "right to work," any shelter and any sustenance. And, while they're at it, all Jews should insist that the Nobel committee members that awarded Arafat the "Nobel Peace Prize" should be extradited to Israel and forced to live with the murder and terror he and his minions are inflicting upon the tiny and beleaguered nation of Israel.

It is past time for Israel to take the measures necessary to halt terrorism in their own country. The price of doing any less may be the death of the nation of Israel. Survival as a nation is the only option for the Jews and to hell with what the rest of the world thinks.

Remember the Jordanian response to Palestinian terrorism? They made no apologies to the world for their war on the nasty, murderous Palestinian cockroaches. They had it right and it is time for Israel to emulate them.

[Nix 2]

I am no ADL syncophant. Rabbi Kahane was not a terrorist, but he certainly was conservative, not to mention right. Funny how you guys go absolutely through the roof at lefties because you think they just go along with the program, but you blow the roof off the house because you don't want a Jew who stands on his own feet and won't follow the herd. Bizarre on your part, but since your dislike for Jews surpasses conservative or liberal barriers, let's just say I am more glad I am NOT affiliated with you than whoever else I might be affiliated with and you can blow bubbles out your ear all the damb day long for all I care. If the only choices I had were between you and the ADL, it would turn me into a hermit and I WOULD be afraid. The ADL wants to disarm me, and there's nothing your band of merry iron maidens would like better. You should join and work through the system. I just know they would appreciate your help.

[timestax]

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[Zviadist]

the ADL could be considered an anethema as well.

I think they have done some good work.

[Cachelot]

and who a respected Jewish rights group -- the ADL

And now you tout ADL as a respected Jewish rights group? Gee, you should be careful with your writing there, ol' Zviadist. You'll have a terrible reaction from saying nice things about the ADL you know. I'd estimate two hours max before you break out in boils and convulsions. Or hives. Or spots. Or halitosis :).

That should concern all of us on this site.

Oh, the "terrorism" I've heard JDL accused of seemed to focus on such things as "verbal terrorism", which seems like some concept by BillyJeff. But maybe old BJ had a few Slavic advisers, hmmm? That concerns me, Zviaduct. A great deal.

[Zviadist]

Hey, don't blame me, dude. YOU are the one who has openly expressed sympathy and support for an organization which is on the terrorist list of MY government. And from what I have seen, they belong on the terrorist list:

May 22, 1970: Six unidentified members of the JDL stormed into the offices of two Arab propaganda agencies in New York. Three Arab men were severely beaten with wooden clubs, and the offices were left in disarray. The three victims were hospitalized. Responding to reports that JDL literature was found at the scene of the attacks, Kahane did not take credit for the assaults but stated that "If we did [take credit], we'd be open to all sorts of problems. We obviously can't." He then proceeded to express his approval of the attacks.

September 27, 1970: Two members of the JDL, Avraham and Nancy Hershkovitz, were arrested in an alleged plot to hijack an Arab airliner. The two were arrested at Kennedy Airport carrying firearms and explosives. They were later indicted on six counts by a grand jury but pleaded guilty only to a charge of passport falsification.

September 14, 1972: Members of the JDL were arrested in Los Angeles twelve hours after the bombing of an apartment building which included among its tenants a Palestinian Arab. No one was injured. In June of 1973, two members of the organization were convicted on charges of assault.

September 27, 1972: Three members of the JDL pleaded guilty in Brooklyn Federal Court to charges related to bombing incidents in 1971 at the Amtorg Trading Corporation offices and at the Long Island estate of the Russian Mission.

February 22, 1973: Ten members of the JDL took over and vandalized the offices of the World Council of Churches in New York.

February 28, 1973: Eight members of the JDL took over the offices of the American Friends Service Committee in Philadelphia.

March 5, 1975: Twelve young people affiliated with the JDL off-shoot called the Committee Against Israeli Retreat (CAIR) invaded the B'nai B'rith offices in Washington, taking control of the switchboard and seizing the office of another B'nai B'rith staff member. The group demanded that B'nai B'rith and other Jewish organizations mobilize against U.S. policy in the Middle East and against the potential return of any occupied territory by the Israeli government. The group used a bullhorn to convey its message through open windows in the building. They also sent telegrams to Jewish organizations in several cities falsely claiming that B'nai B'rith was organizing protests against "the Ford-Kissinger policy of step-by-step strangulation of Israel." Police were called but no arrests were made.

April 15, 1975: Responsibility for the smashing of two windows of a Chemical Bank branch in Coram, Long Island was claimed by an unidentified man who called Newsday using the JDL slogan, "Never Again." Contacted by Newsday, a JDL official denied responsibility for the vandalism, but stated, "We applaud the act of militant Jews and support all such activities."

April 25, 1975: Six JDL members, expressing dissatisfaction with the responsiveness to community needs of the San Francisco Jewish Welfare Federation, forced their way into the office of the executive vice president of the Federation, ransacked files and assaulted four staff members, including one who, according to a Federation spokesman, had been crippled as a result of having spent time in a concentration camp during World War II.

January 13, 1976: Three pipe bombs were discovered and disarmed by New York City police near the United Nations, and a fourth bomb found at the Iraqi UN Mission was later similarly disarmed. Anonymous telephone callers told the Associated Press that the bombs had been set by the Jewish Armed Resistance Strike Unit, which has been associated with the JDL. The UN bombs were found by a Transit Authority employee in a subway emergency exit shaft under an exit ramp from the FDR drive next to the UN. A UN spokesman said that fragments from the bomb could have killed or wounded anyone within 50 feet. A JDL spokesman said his organization applauded the attempted bombing.'

April 12, 1976: Seven JDL members mounted the roof of the Park East Synagogue across the street from the Soviet UN Mission and shouted insults at occupants of the Mission The rabbi of the synagogue described this activity as "harmful and irresponsible," and indicated that he would press charges of trespassing.' 95 A day after the demonstration. Kahane praised those who had been attacking Soviet diplomats and offices as "Jewish patriots."

1979: Updated JDL Document: "Needed: An American Jewish Underground" -- this JDL document, circulated in 1979, advocated the formation of an armed Jewish American "underground" to "quietly and professionally eliminate those modern day Hitlers who are becoming an ever increasing threat to our existence. "...I state emphatically, the JDL is not an 'underground.' It is an 'above-ground' organization, an activist, ideological movement which operates in full view of the public and police. Militant and sometimes violent? Yes, in the defense of Jews. "But a void, a gap needs to be filled within the complex make-up of the American Jewish community today. As 1 stated above, what is needed is a secret, underground strike-force which will eliminate those individuals that threaten our very existence. The time is long overdue for the birth of such a group."

January 5, 1994: Between 2:30 and 3:30 a.m., a bomb was placed outside a New York building that houses Americans for Peace Now, Habonim, Israel Horizons, and the Progressive Zionist Caucus. The bomb did not explode but was later defused by police . A second bomb, placed outside the building which houses the New Israel Fund, exploded but there were no injuries. Notes left with the bombs declared that an Jewish "civil war has begun. " The notes also spoke of the "spilling of blood in Israel" and criticized the Israeli Government as being "too liberal. " The notes were signed by the "Shield of David" and the "Maccabee Squad." A press release issued by Kahane Chai provided its traditional response subsequent to such incidents: the organization "denied responsibility" for the attacks, but "refused] to condemn the act."

There are probably at least 50 more acts of terrorism documented that have been committed by this group that YOU support. I think it is clear that you are with the terrorists.

[philosofy123]

But we went to war with Saddam to enforce the UN resolution?

[Zviadist]

Oh, the "terrorism" I've heard JDL accused of seemed to focus on such things as "verbal terrorism",

See my post below.

[Zviadist]

And now you tout ADL as a respected Jewish rights group? Gee, you should be careful with your writing there, ol' Zviadist. You'll have a terrible reaction from saying nice things about the ADL you know.

Listen, buddy, you know nothing about me, my history, my affiliations. Nothing. I can be critical of some aspects of ADL's work (which of us agrees 100 percent with any organization?) while admitting that they have done some good work and applaud their effectiveness in many areas. You will not find wholesale attacks on the ADL by me in the four years I have been here. If you can't deal with that, it is your problem.

[Cachelot]

Listen, buddy, you know nothing about me, my history, my affiliations. Nothing.

Lol. I can infer quite a few things about you just by your nick, you know :)). And in fact, you are an open book, by your own record. Here:

Justin Raimondo fan. And into that very odd sort of outlook reminiscent of Aryan Nations. You a closet rahowa critter, Zviadist?

Zviadist
(maverick)
04/03/02 12:42 PM

Re: THE REAL ANTI-SEMITISM Is it "anti-Semitic" to criticize Israel?  [ To: Kudzu  |  Post 52490, reply to 52438 ] (Score: 1)

Flag to: Kudzu, texoma

Justin Raimondo is potent.

Indeed. Has he been invited over here?

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Zviadist
(maverick)
04/03/02 12:41 PM

Re: The Profound Co-Identification of Yeshua, the Messiah, With His Nation, Israel  [ To: JRadcliffe  |  Post 52488, reply to 52160 ] (Score: 1)

Very well said. I wanted to post on this thread, but I don't think I can do anything to compare to your insightful comments here. As you at the least imply, we who have accepted Christ as God's Son and our Savior ARE the new Israelites. WE are the apples of God's eye, not those who have rejected His promise and His sacrifice. This is the Good News! How is it that some who call themselves Christian do not understand this? I am not trying to hassle anyone, but this seems so self-evident.

 

 

[lepton]

History lesson -- The prime minister could use a primer on the Middle East

Couterarguments to similar arguments to yours.

[lepton]

I think they have done some good work.

O.K., but they're certainly prone to flying off the handle.

[Prodigal Daughter]

but this seems so self-evident.

Yeah, if you're reading the Koran.

[Zviadist]

And into that very odd sort of outlook reminiscent of Aryan Nations.

So, the fundamental beliefs of all Roman Catholics and 90 percent of all Protestants are to you "reminiscent of Aryan Nations"? Do you really want to say this?

That says a hell of a lot more about YOU and your bigotry than it does about the more than a billion of the rest of us. We are Christians, and this is what 99.9 percent of Christians believe. If you have a problem with that, I say "tough".

And are you so pathetic that you have to go trolling over to other websites to find things to post about people? I think that is clearly AGAINST the rules of this website.

[Zviadist]

By the way, creep, I stand by everything I post everywhere. Why the hell are you so concerned that some people here post elsewhere? Are you that desperate to shut up any voices that disagree with you that you obsess about finding these and "exposing" them? I know this is not the first time you have done that here. Are you the Intenet police? Why don't you get a freakin' life.

[The Great Satan]

[Sir Gawain]

I think that is clearly AGAINST the rules of this website.

That's a new one.

[Cachelot]

Why the hell are you so concerned that some people here post elsewhere?

I'm not "concerned that people here post elsewhere", as you put it. But you seem to open particularly well up elsewhere.

So you are Israel??? Say hello to Butler from me, Zviadist :).

Are you the Intenet police?

Do you really think there is such a thing, Zviadist? Geez. I'm just someone who document what he sez ;).

[Askel5]

Actions speak louder than words, Zviadist, and Sir Gawain is correct in that there will have to be "a new one" drafted if Cachelot's tactic is to be deemed against the rules.

Once upon a time, that sort of behavior might have been frowned upon as a breach of the "keeping it clean" or "jumping threads" rules and been deemed extremely poor posting behavior.

Although not specifically stated anywhere in the site's policies, the leadership of FR has made a habit of using posts from other sites either to publically impugn the reputations of some posters as "AF-ers" and or summarily ban others from this site.

It is of no moment whether or not these outside posts are signed with one's own handle. Upon the advice of "informants" or one's own subjective opinion, posts believed to be this or that individual targeted for destruction or already erased will stand as sufficient grounds for the nuking of a poster and erasing of all of his posts from the memory hole.

Therefore, the use of signed or anonymous posts from other sites (taken out of context or not) in an effort to impugn, cow or silence Zviadist is a perfectly admissible and absolutely proper tactic.

I would laud Cachelot's having the stones to use this tactic out in the open--as opposed to the behind-the-scenes Byzantine backstabbing and informing that's all the rage--but I know better. He and others are not being "honest", they've just been empowered such that they can post thus in broad daylight with all due impunity.

[Zviadist]

That's a new one.

Well, it is against the rules to carry arguments from thread to thread on this site. I don't think it is much of a stretch to extrapolate that into a frowning on bringing arguments from whole other websites to here.