The Arafat Apologists

Sierra Times ^ | Marti Stapp

[Nix 2]

I am no ADL syncophant. Rabbi Kahane was not a terrorist, but he certainly was conservative, not to mention right. Funny how you guys go absolutely through the roof at lefties because you think they just go along with the program, but you blow the roof off the house because you don't want a Jew who stands on his own feet and won't follow the herd. Bizarre on your part, but since your dislike for Jews surpasses conservative or liberal barriers, let's just say I am more glad I am NOT affiliated with you than whoever else I might be affiliated with and you can blow bubbles out your ear all the damb day long for all I care. If the only choices I had were between you and the ADL, it would turn me into a hermit and I WOULD be afraid. The ADL wants to disarm me, and there's nothing your band of merry iron maidens would like better. You should join and work through the system. I just know they would appreciate your help.

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[Zviadist]

the ADL could be considered an anethema as well.

I think they have done some good work.

[Cachelot]

and who a respected Jewish rights group -- the ADL

And now you tout ADL as a respected Jewish rights group? Gee, you should be careful with your writing there, ol' Zviadist. You'll have a terrible reaction from saying nice things about the ADL you know. I'd estimate two hours max before you break out in boils and convulsions. Or hives. Or spots. Or halitosis :).

That should concern all of us on this site.

Oh, the "terrorism" I've heard JDL accused of seemed to focus on such things as "verbal terrorism", which seems like some concept by BillyJeff. But maybe old BJ had a few Slavic advisers, hmmm? That concerns me, Zviaduct. A great deal.

[Zviadist]

Hey, don't blame me, dude. YOU are the one who has openly expressed sympathy and support for an organization which is on the terrorist list of MY government. And from what I have seen, they belong on the terrorist list:

May 22, 1970: Six unidentified members of the JDL stormed into the offices of two Arab propaganda agencies in New York. Three Arab men were severely beaten with wooden clubs, and the offices were left in disarray. The three victims were hospitalized. Responding to reports that JDL literature was found at the scene of the attacks, Kahane did not take credit for the assaults but stated that "If we did [take credit], we'd be open to all sorts of problems. We obviously can't." He then proceeded to express his approval of the attacks.

September 27, 1970: Two members of the JDL, Avraham and Nancy Hershkovitz, were arrested in an alleged plot to hijack an Arab airliner. The two were arrested at Kennedy Airport carrying firearms and explosives. They were later indicted on six counts by a grand jury but pleaded guilty only to a charge of passport falsification.

September 14, 1972: Members of the JDL were arrested in Los Angeles twelve hours after the bombing of an apartment building which included among its tenants a Palestinian Arab. No one was injured. In June of 1973, two members of the organization were convicted on charges of assault.

September 27, 1972: Three members of the JDL pleaded guilty in Brooklyn Federal Court to charges related to bombing incidents in 1971 at the Amtorg Trading Corporation offices and at the Long Island estate of the Russian Mission.

February 22, 1973: Ten members of the JDL took over and vandalized the offices of the World Council of Churches in New York.

February 28, 1973: Eight members of the JDL took over the offices of the American Friends Service Committee in Philadelphia.

March 5, 1975: Twelve young people affiliated with the JDL off-shoot called the Committee Against Israeli Retreat (CAIR) invaded the B'nai B'rith offices in Washington, taking control of the switchboard and seizing the office of another B'nai B'rith staff member. The group demanded that B'nai B'rith and other Jewish organizations mobilize against U.S. policy in the Middle East and against the potential return of any occupied territory by the Israeli government. The group used a bullhorn to convey its message through open windows in the building. They also sent telegrams to Jewish organizations in several cities falsely claiming that B'nai B'rith was organizing protests against "the Ford-Kissinger policy of step-by-step strangulation of Israel." Police were called but no arrests were made.

April 15, 1975: Responsibility for the smashing of two windows of a Chemical Bank branch in Coram, Long Island was claimed by an unidentified man who called Newsday using the JDL slogan, "Never Again." Contacted by Newsday, a JDL official denied responsibility for the vandalism, but stated, "We applaud the act of militant Jews and support all such activities."

April 25, 1975: Six JDL members, expressing dissatisfaction with the responsiveness to community needs of the San Francisco Jewish Welfare Federation, forced their way into the office of the executive vice president of the Federation, ransacked files and assaulted four staff members, including one who, according to a Federation spokesman, had been crippled as a result of having spent time in a concentration camp during World War II.

January 13, 1976: Three pipe bombs were discovered and disarmed by New York City police near the United Nations, and a fourth bomb found at the Iraqi UN Mission was later similarly disarmed. Anonymous telephone callers told the Associated Press that the bombs had been set by the Jewish Armed Resistance Strike Unit, which has been associated with the JDL. The UN bombs were found by a Transit Authority employee in a subway emergency exit shaft under an exit ramp from the FDR drive next to the UN. A UN spokesman said that fragments from the bomb could have killed or wounded anyone within 50 feet. A JDL spokesman said his organization applauded the attempted bombing.'

April 12, 1976: Seven JDL members mounted the roof of the Park East Synagogue across the street from the Soviet UN Mission and shouted insults at occupants of the Mission The rabbi of the synagogue described this activity as "harmful and irresponsible," and indicated that he would press charges of trespassing.' 95 A day after the demonstration. Kahane praised those who had been attacking Soviet diplomats and offices as "Jewish patriots."

1979: Updated JDL Document: "Needed: An American Jewish Underground" -- this JDL document, circulated in 1979, advocated the formation of an armed Jewish American "underground" to "quietly and professionally eliminate those modern day Hitlers who are becoming an ever increasing threat to our existence. "...I state emphatically, the JDL is not an 'underground.' It is an 'above-ground' organization, an activist, ideological movement which operates in full view of the public and police. Militant and sometimes violent? Yes, in the defense of Jews. "But a void, a gap needs to be filled within the complex make-up of the American Jewish community today. As 1 stated above, what is needed is a secret, underground strike-force which will eliminate those individuals that threaten our very existence. The time is long overdue for the birth of such a group."

January 5, 1994: Between 2:30 and 3:30 a.m., a bomb was placed outside a New York building that houses Americans for Peace Now, Habonim, Israel Horizons, and the Progressive Zionist Caucus. The bomb did not explode but was later defused by police . A second bomb, placed outside the building which houses the New Israel Fund, exploded but there were no injuries. Notes left with the bombs declared that an Jewish "civil war has begun. " The notes also spoke of the "spilling of blood in Israel" and criticized the Israeli Government as being "too liberal. " The notes were signed by the "Shield of David" and the "Maccabee Squad." A press release issued by Kahane Chai provided its traditional response subsequent to such incidents: the organization "denied responsibility" for the attacks, but "refused] to condemn the act."

There are probably at least 50 more acts of terrorism documented that have been committed by this group that YOU support. I think it is clear that you are with the terrorists.

[philosofy123]

But we went to war with Saddam to enforce the UN resolution?

[Zviadist]

Oh, the "terrorism" I've heard JDL accused of seemed to focus on such things as "verbal terrorism",

See my post below.

[Zviadist]

And now you tout ADL as a respected Jewish rights group? Gee, you should be careful with your writing there, ol' Zviadist. You'll have a terrible reaction from saying nice things about the ADL you know.

Listen, buddy, you know nothing about me, my history, my affiliations. Nothing. I can be critical of some aspects of ADL's work (which of us agrees 100 percent with any organization?) while admitting that they have done some good work and applaud their effectiveness in many areas. You will not find wholesale attacks on the ADL by me in the four years I have been here. If you can't deal with that, it is your problem.

[Cachelot]

Listen, buddy, you know nothing about me, my history, my affiliations. Nothing.

Lol. I can infer quite a few things about you just by your nick, you know :)). And in fact, you are an open book, by your own record. Here:

Justin Raimondo fan. And into that very odd sort of outlook reminiscent of Aryan Nations. You a closet rahowa critter, Zviadist?

Zviadist
(maverick)
04/03/02 12:42 PM

Re: THE REAL ANTI-SEMITISM Is it "anti-Semitic" to criticize Israel?  [ To: Kudzu  |  Post 52490, reply to 52438 ] (Score: 1)

Flag to: Kudzu, texoma

Justin Raimondo is potent.

Indeed. Has he been invited over here?

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Zviadist
(maverick)
04/03/02 12:41 PM

Re: The Profound Co-Identification of Yeshua, the Messiah, With His Nation, Israel  [ To: JRadcliffe  |  Post 52488, reply to 52160 ] (Score: 1)

Very well said. I wanted to post on this thread, but I don't think I can do anything to compare to your insightful comments here. As you at the least imply, we who have accepted Christ as God's Son and our Savior ARE the new Israelites. WE are the apples of God's eye, not those who have rejected His promise and His sacrifice. This is the Good News! How is it that some who call themselves Christian do not understand this? I am not trying to hassle anyone, but this seems so self-evident.

 

 

[lepton]

History lesson -- The prime minister could use a primer on the Middle East

Couterarguments to similar arguments to yours.

[lepton]

I think they have done some good work.

O.K., but they're certainly prone to flying off the handle.

[Prodigal Daughter]

but this seems so self-evident.

Yeah, if you're reading the Koran.

[Zviadist]

And into that very odd sort of outlook reminiscent of Aryan Nations.

So, the fundamental beliefs of all Roman Catholics and 90 percent of all Protestants are to you "reminiscent of Aryan Nations"? Do you really want to say this?

That says a hell of a lot more about YOU and your bigotry than it does about the more than a billion of the rest of us. We are Christians, and this is what 99.9 percent of Christians believe. If you have a problem with that, I say "tough".

And are you so pathetic that you have to go trolling over to other websites to find things to post about people? I think that is clearly AGAINST the rules of this website.

[Zviadist]

By the way, creep, I stand by everything I post everywhere. Why the hell are you so concerned that some people here post elsewhere? Are you that desperate to shut up any voices that disagree with you that you obsess about finding these and "exposing" them? I know this is not the first time you have done that here. Are you the Intenet police? Why don't you get a freakin' life.

[The Great Satan]

[Sir Gawain]

I think that is clearly AGAINST the rules of this website.

That's a new one.

[Cachelot]

Why the hell are you so concerned that some people here post elsewhere?

I'm not "concerned that people here post elsewhere", as you put it. But you seem to open particularly well up elsewhere.

So you are Israel??? Say hello to Butler from me, Zviadist :).

Are you the Intenet police?

Do you really think there is such a thing, Zviadist? Geez. I'm just someone who document what he sez ;).

[Askel5]

Actions speak louder than words, Zviadist, and Sir Gawain is correct in that there will have to be "a new one" drafted if Cachelot's tactic is to be deemed against the rules.

Once upon a time, that sort of behavior might have been frowned upon as a breach of the "keeping it clean" or "jumping threads" rules and been deemed extremely poor posting behavior.

Although not specifically stated anywhere in the site's policies, the leadership of FR has made a habit of using posts from other sites either to publically impugn the reputations of some posters as "AF-ers" and or summarily ban others from this site.

It is of no moment whether or not these outside posts are signed with one's own handle. Upon the advice of "informants" or one's own subjective opinion, posts believed to be this or that individual targeted for destruction or already erased will stand as sufficient grounds for the nuking of a poster and erasing of all of his posts from the memory hole.

Therefore, the use of signed or anonymous posts from other sites (taken out of context or not) in an effort to impugn, cow or silence Zviadist is a perfectly admissible and absolutely proper tactic.

I would laud Cachelot's having the stones to use this tactic out in the open--as opposed to the behind-the-scenes Byzantine backstabbing and informing that's all the rage--but I know better. He and others are not being "honest", they've just been empowered such that they can post thus in broad daylight with all due impunity.

[Zviadist]

That's a new one.

Well, it is against the rules to carry arguments from thread to thread on this site. I don't think it is much of a stretch to extrapolate that into a frowning on bringing arguments from whole other websites to here.